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Genez

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Cameron143 said:
That's my point. God has not dealt equitably with all people. Some are wealthy, some poor. Some are educated, some not. Some have abundant opportunities, some not. Until the new covenant, salvation itself was largely available to only Israel.
On the other hand, God is always just in His dealings with mankind. He deals with all evenly in the exercise of His justice.
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Who are you to judge God Himself????????

Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of ​
the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?" James 2:5​

Whoa..

You are literally judging God before a jury of humans and fallen angels....

But, that is nothing that finding a good pastor (who can really teach the bible) could not cure.

You are assuming that all the wealthy are happy and that all poor are not....

God gives a capacity for happiness for whatever state one finds himself in.

In my humble opinion, you need to find a good teacher....
For there is too much human viewpoint having a hold on your thinking at present.

grace and peace ...............
 
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Magenta said:
Just because God has an attribute or ability to do something does not automatically equate
into us being able to be or do the same thing simply because we are made in His image.

If you honestly think it does, there is something really wrong with your theology.

And Calvinism, hyper or otherwise, has zero to do with it.

In fact you saying so is just another logical fallacy.
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Unless you can explain why?
Your debaters technique is just like squirting ink by an octopus.
Enlighten, please. Chapter and verse.
 
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Genez said:
Question?
Did you just use your volition to write that response?

Do you choose when you decide to listen to thoughts that do not agree with God's Word?

You have volition. You just do not have God's attributes of omniscience and omnipotence to make every choice you make to end up perfect and as you wish it to be...

But? God has delegated us a domain for we humans to use our volition.
You keep keep confusing God's absolute volition to ours to negate us having volition....

But you "choose" to think that way. And, if you are not careful? Demons will use you because they study you, and understand your weaknesses and will exploit your ignorance of sound doctrine. Doctrine that you would have used to test the spirits and keep them in check.

You need to find a very good pastor teacher .. or die to the life Jesus died to give you.

grace and peace ................
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the only people playing word games in this thread are those not choosing to see Gods will as everything. 😊
 
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Genez said:
Unless you can explain why?
Your debaters technique is just like squirting ink by an octopus.
Enlighten, please. Chapter and verse.
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What needs to be explained? You say because God can do something, we can too because we were made in His image. God can create a whole universe by speaking, and give it life. Can we do that? No, we cannot. Therefore your premise is flawed and quite simply wrong.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
the only people playing word games in this thread are those not choosing to see Gods will as everything. 😊
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YEAHHHHH! WOW!!!!!!! RIGHT ON, BROTHER! AMEN!!!!!


:rolleyes: .................. are you now going to pass the collection plate?
 
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Magenta said:
What needs to be explained? You say because God can do something, we can too because we were made in His image. That is quite simply wrong. God can create a whole universe by speaking and give it life. Can we do that? No, we cannot. Therefore your premise is flawed and quite simply wrong.
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Man was created to have dominion over living creatures on earth in the creation.
Man is a "reflection" of God having dominion over all creation.

Images are reflections of the realty they reflect.


Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air,
and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that
creeps on the earth.”

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.

Genesis 1:26-2
 
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Genez said:
Man was created to have dominion over living creatures on earth in the creation.
Man is a "reflection" of God having dominion over all creation.

Images are reflections of the realty they reflect.


Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air,
and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that
creeps on the earth.”

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.

Genesis 1:26-2
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once again that was God's will
 
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Genez said:
Man was created to have dominion over living creatures on earth in the creation.
Man is a "reflection" of God having dominion over all creation.

Images are reflections of the realty they reflect.

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air,
and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that
creeps on the earth.”

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.

Genesis 1:26-2
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What does that have to do with what you said? Looks like you are squirting ink to deflect and obfuscate.

 
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Magenta said:
More of your logical fallacies. You are long on them...
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A non answer, not containing verifying facts, may give others the impression of knowing something that one does not possess.

Where I come from? That technique is called "saving face."
 
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Genez said:
A non answer, not containing verifying facts, may give others the impression of knowing something that one does not possess.

Where I come from? That technique is called "saving face."
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You have said zero to prove I am in some hyper-Calvinist rut. What you have proven is you have
a propensity to make logical fallacies and refuse to own up to them. You just pile on more...
 
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Genez said:
Who are you to judge God Himself????????

Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of ​
the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?" James 2:5​

Whoa..

You are literally judging God before a jury of humans and fallen angels....

But, that is nothing that finding a good pastor (who can really teach the bible) could not cure.

You are assuming that all the wealthy are happy and that all poor are not....

God gives a capacity for happiness for whatever state one finds himself in.

In my humble opinion, you need to find a good teacher....
For there is too much human viewpoint having a hold on your thinking at present.

grace and peace ...............
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I'm doing no such thing. I'm merely pointing out things as they are. I have no judgment concerning God.
Perhaps you can show me from scripture where God claims He is fair.
And thanks for the advice. I'll do as you say when I see that you are exercising a modicum of discernment.
 
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Genez said:
Man was created to have dominion over living creatures on earth in the creation.
Man is a "reflection" of God having dominion over all creation.

Images are reflections of the realty they reflect.


Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air,
and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that
creeps on the earth.”

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.

Genesis 1:26-2
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The image of God was corrupted in mankind with the onset of sin. Man who was to have dominion over the earth now returns to it. Thus, the need for Christ to destroy the works of Satan and restore creation to its original estate. This, of course, with improvement to the creation.
In John 3:16, the cosmos that God loved includes all of creation.
 
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Genez said:
You keep excluding God's will for man to have a will....

Your God is like a little girl playing house with dolls.
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Once again we see the common none sharing attitude of many here, which is insulting people with there faith, and condemning God, and condemning The God that you serve.

Sir listen.

Your will is not God's will, unless his will resides in you.

Your will is very limited compared to God's will.

Your will is not free.

The only will that is free when God's will is working in you, for you, and to to lead others to his will.

His will is everything sir


Without his will, your will is imprisoned sir, which makes your will not free sir.

Well sir youtube is full of thousands of doctrines about freewill from zombies sir.

Deep thinkers trying to understand where it all went wrong.
 
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