Pre-Trib Objections

[greenonions]

The confusions about the differences between the trumpets blown by the seven angels and the "last trump" signifying the difference between the raising of the dead in Christ and the living, the only way those who latch onto their confusions over that will be when they dare read it all in context and study the differences between a trump and the trumpets of the seven angels. The jagged edges of those two entirely different phenomenon simply do not fit together as the same event and element descriptors.

MM

I don't think Jesus will come back at the same moment that the seventh trumpet is blown, but in the "days" of the sounding of the seventh trumpet (Revelation 10:7), God's mystery would be finished.

 

[greenonions]

The wheat does not represent Israel at all? How anyone can say that about the very people Jesus said He was sent to, the only people, that he was sent to, that is a remarkable thing to see some posit as an abject contradiction to the texts...

Replacement theology garbage continues to manifest itself all throughout these threads, and at minimum, shards of it are put to use to try and force Gentiles into the place of Israel in subtle and not so subtle means and nuances.

MM

The wheat represents all believers, including Jews and Gentiles. So yes, it includes the remnant of Israel who believe in Jesus.

 

[greenonions]

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The Sheep are not saved by faith, they are saved by works!

I don't think that's possible. No one can be justified by the works of the law (Galatians 2:16). Maybe not works of the law but saved by other works? Ephesians 2:8-9 NKJV says "not of works, lest anyone should boast". It is all grace. Though I agree that true faith will result in works. There is only one way to salvation, which is through faith in Jesus Christ (John 3:16; 14:6; Acts 4:12).

 

[greenonions]

Those dudes aren’t populating ANYTHING but Hell.
Matthew 25

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand,‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

My understanding is that there are survivors from the nations in Zechariah 14:16 who do not participate in the sheep and goats judgment. I think the nations that are gathered together for the sheep and goats judgment are the nations that gathered for the battle of Armaggeddon. That "gathering" is mentioned several times in the Bible (Joel 3:11; Zechariah 14:2; Revelation 14:19; 16:16; 19:19). The beast that is captured is the army that will be judged and cast alive into the lake of fire (19:20). The sheep may include the people on white horses (Rev. 19:14).

 

[greenonions]

Post-tribbers don't seem to have picked up in the fact that if the acquisition of all the faithful receiving their glorified bodies immediately before the Millennial Kingdom, both dead and alive, there would no nobody left to have babies in the Millennium, and to grow the nations in population, for we are told that we will be as the angels of Heaven, neither marrying nor given in marriage, and without marriage, there won't be children with Christ on the throne of David.

It's also utterly irrational and anti-biblical to claim that the Lord will put His own body through the torture of His own wrath. His body has already gone through the torture of having taken upon Himself the penalty for our sins, and then to go through that again after He said, "It is FINISHED!"

What part do those people not understand about what He said? The wrath begins at the opening of the very first seal. For those few to claim that the four horsemen are not His wrath, when a fourth of the world's population will be wiped out at their release...it's not business as usual when an entire fourth of the world's population is wiped out under the hooves of just those four horsemen. Good grief, how dense does a thought process have to be to not see such an obvious reality?

8 Billion X 0.25 = 2 Billion (meaning that 2 Billion have perished)

6 Billion X 0.333333 = 2 Billion

See that? Just as many will die in the second half, the GREAT tribulation as will die in the first half, and the first half isn't a measure of His wrath? I would have to crawl up out from under a very large, dark rock to not see the obvious in all that.

4 Billion is one-half of 8 Billion...right?

Hope this math lesson opens some eyes and peels away the scales of falsehoods in the eschatology some of you have been taught by your false teaching pastors and teachers and favorite authors.

This also applies to the mid and pre-wrath gangs. The math opposes your falsehoods.

MM

Rev. 6:8 says Death had the power over a fourth of the earth to kill. I think Death is representing a person, and is not literally death. Today, death has power over 100% of the earth, not just 25%. This person will have authority over a fourth of the earth and will kill many people. This does not mean he will kill everyone under his authority.