PICTURES OF JESUS
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JaumeJ, thanks for taking it sportingly.
The Bible from Genesis to Revelation is authored by God. The Holy Spirit is the Author. The HS is God. The Bible focuses on Christ - from A to Z. Paul's writings (which seem to offend some Christians!) are the Word of God! If you want to understand New Testament Christianity, you have to understand PAUL. So do not separate the Lord Jesus from His beloved Apostle Paul.
Because Paul is so important, we use the term PAULINE DOCTRINE.
Hope one day soon God will enlighten your eyes!
The Bible from Genesis to Revelation is authored by God. The Holy Spirit is the Author. The HS is God. The Bible focuses on Christ - from A to Z. Paul's writings (which seem to offend some Christians!) are the Word of God! If you want to understand New Testament Christianity, you have to understand PAUL. So do not separate the Lord Jesus from His beloved Apostle Paul.
Because Paul is so important, we use the term PAULINE DOCTRINE.
Hope one day soon God will enlighten your eyes!
He teaches the Faith of Abraham, my faith I believe.
Now here is something many cannot understaqnd. Abraham is traqnslated Father of the Peoples *Nations).
All who parise God are true Jews for a Jew is one who praises God, not a person descended directly from Judah, though they can be also.
Jesus, the Bread from Heaven born in Bethlehem*House of Bread), teaches the very basic s of understanding the Word for He is the Word.
I believe it that Paul is a disciple because Paul tells us so, but he is not one of the Twelve Apostles. Those Twelve are the foundations of our faith after Jesus, and their names are inscribed on the twelve foundations of New Jerusalm to come.
Jerusalem was originally called Urushalaim, or City of Peace. God changed its name to Yaahurushaloom.. city of Yahweh's Peace after the taking over from the Jebusites.
There is a lot more from our Hebrew forefathers to learn, but so many cannot give credit to our Father having chosen the Hebrews for His purposes.
Praise God for He is worsthy not we.
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JamueJ,
Interesting to read what you've written.
But I wonder what you have against St Paul? You wrote: 'I believe it that Paul is a disciple because Paul tells us so, but he is not one of the Twelve Apostles. Those Twelve are the foundations of our faith after Jesus, and their names are inscribed on the twelve foundations of New Jerusalm to come."
So who is the 12 apostle? Certainly, not Judas! Do you think it's Matthias? I think Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, was one great apostle, and his name is inscribed on the foundations of the New Jerusalem to come.
Think it over! If you believe in "Imitate me, as I imitate Christ" (what Paul said). Then it is not 'Imitate the Twelve' (Peter, John, etc); but it is: 'IMITATE ME'. Paul is the model for you and me to follow.
I understand that many do not like Paul and his Epistles. But God used Paul to be the chief spokesman on His behalf in the NT.
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Interesting to read what you've written.
But I wonder what you have against St Paul? You wrote: 'I believe it that Paul is a disciple because Paul tells us so, but he is not one of the Twelve Apostles. Those Twelve are the foundations of our faith after Jesus, and their names are inscribed on the twelve foundations of New Jerusalm to come."
So who is the 12 apostle? Certainly, not Judas! Do you think it's Matthias? I think Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, was one great apostle, and his name is inscribed on the foundations of the New Jerusalem to come.
Think it over! If you believe in "Imitate me, as I imitate Christ" (what Paul said). Then it is not 'Imitate the Twelve' (Peter, John, etc); but it is: 'IMITATE ME'. Paul is the model for you and me to follow.
I understand that many do not like Paul and his Epistles. But God used Paul to be the chief spokesman on His behalf in the NT.
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Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways …
Psalms 118:8-9 - It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
2 John 1:9 - Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God
The bible is clear that we are not to follow men.
Psalms 118:8-9 - It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
2 John 1:9 - Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God
The bible is clear that we are not to follow men.
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I don't disagree about the graven images and that it is wrong to worship them. What I disagree with is you characterizing Jaume like he is worshipping idols, when he would never do that. He is a mature Christian, has studied the Bible for decades. He has unique insight on so many biblical issues.
My advice is to read posts, get to know people, make friends. Find out where people really stand on the issue of the second commandment before you judge them as wanting and condemned.
I don't think you are telling anything we don't already know, unless they recently became Christians.
My advice is to read posts, get to know people, make friends. Find out where people really stand on the issue of the second commandment before you judge them as wanting and condemned.
I don't think you are telling anything we don't already know, unless they recently became Christians.
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"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." Ex. 20:4
"beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, 17 the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, 18 the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth." Deut 4:16-18
Don't be a fool! Of course what this poster is saying about graven images are true.
What I object to is that he doesn't even seem to read the posts others have written and comment in them correctly, and not attack them for something they did not say!
As someone else mentioned, this is a forum for Protestants. There are a few Catholics from time to time, and we argue about false RCC doctrine with them.
Got it? Protestants of one kind or another, who think that RCC doctrine is by and large, false, unbiblical nonsense!
"beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, 17 the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, 18 the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth." Deut 4:16-18
Don't be a fool! Of course what this poster is saying about graven images are true.
What I object to is that he doesn't even seem to read the posts others have written and comment in them correctly, and not attack them for something they did not say!
As someone else mentioned, this is a forum for Protestants. There are a few Catholics from time to time, and we argue about false RCC doctrine with them.
Got it? Protestants of one kind or another, who think that RCC doctrine is by and large, false, unbiblical nonsense!
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is it ok to have a carved winged bird as an ormenant or a picture of a bird on the mantle piece in rememberance of the holy spirit or a carved out tree in rememeberance of the tree of life. as long as we dont worship them that is but we should worship the holy spirit shouldnt we i just wondered.
I once had a vision i saw a great white light in the form of a white dove in the sky flapping its wings it shot and flew from star to star at night time.
I see that lots of people also assoiciate the dove to the holy spirit.
I just wonder how far we should go with this.
I once had a vision i saw a great white light in the form of a white dove in the sky flapping its wings it shot and flew from star to star at night time.
I see that lots of people also assoiciate the dove to the holy spirit.
I just wonder how far we should go with this.
The Bible is clear on this.. We should not be making images of God and Jesus is LORD.. People can call it legalistic but do the same people call laws against murder and adultery legalistic..
In any case legalism teaches that one is saved by obeying the Law and not by the Atonement of Jesus..
I don't see any statement like this in the OP.. Same with His post about Tattoo's..
Legalism is not teaching the law and declaring the law as good..
I really wonder sometimes why people would fight such things when it is so easy to be forgiven for transgressions of such minor things.. Why resist at all when salvation is so easy to be had??
In any case legalism teaches that one is saved by obeying the Law and not by the Atonement of Jesus..
I don't see any statement like this in the OP.. Same with His post about Tattoo's..
Legalism is not teaching the law and declaring the law as good..
I really wonder sometimes why people would fight such things when it is so easy to be forgiven for transgressions of such minor things.. Why resist at all when salvation is so easy to be had??
Luke 3:22-23 22and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased."
Would this be a good reason for a picture on the wall of a dove or a carved out image
Would this be a good reason for a picture on the wall of a dove or a carved out image
some laws are more searious than others and not every law broken in the old t was punishable by death.
i dont agree with your view here that you can compare theese laws the same way to support leagalism if thats what your doing, Leaglism is leaglism no matter what form it comes in its wrong. all sins can be forgiven we are under a new covenant.
Leagalism is no good when it devides christians.
All i have ever seen my self personaly is leagalism causing people to dish out punishment as if they where God and upset amongst christians.
I have never seen anything fruitful come from leagalism ever.
i dont agree with your view here that you can compare theese laws the same way to support leagalism if thats what your doing, Leaglism is leaglism no matter what form it comes in its wrong. all sins can be forgiven we are under a new covenant.
Leagalism is no good when it devides christians.
All i have ever seen my self personaly is leagalism causing people to dish out punishment as if they where God and upset amongst christians.
I have never seen anything fruitful come from leagalism ever.
Yes all sins can be forgiven we are under grace.. But lets say i murder someone and feel justified in doing so.. Am i repentant for murdering someone.. Nope because i felt justified in doing so.. Now when i face the LORD on the day of Judgement will i be forgiven? Will i be covered by the Atoning Blood of the LORD for that murder if i never believed in the standard of God that i should not murder and was never repentant for it?
PS: Well i should have said all sins can be forgiven except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.. Just adding this to be more correct..
PS: Well i should have said all sins can be forgiven except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.. Just adding this to be more correct..
I am reading this response by Adstar: "The Bible is clear on this.. We should not be making images of God and Jesus is LORD.. People can call it legalistic but do the same people call laws against murder and adultery legalistic..
In any case legalism teaches that one is saved by obeying the Law and not by the Atonement of Jesus..
I don't see any statement like this in the OP.. Same with His post about Tattoo's..
Legalism is not teaching the law and declaring the law as good.. "
And I am just wondering whether Adstar agrees with what I have written on Pictures of Jesus, and what I have written on Tattoos.
If Adstar agrees with my two posts, that's fine.
If Adstar doesn't agree with my way of writing, and the style of my responses, that's fine, too.
We in the East have a tendency to speak the truth in a direct and robust fashion. Calling a spade a spade.
And not mincing words.
(And P.S. Our spelling is perfect, and so too our grammar!)
In any case legalism teaches that one is saved by obeying the Law and not by the Atonement of Jesus..
I don't see any statement like this in the OP.. Same with His post about Tattoo's..
Legalism is not teaching the law and declaring the law as good.. "
And I am just wondering whether Adstar agrees with what I have written on Pictures of Jesus, and what I have written on Tattoos.
If Adstar agrees with my two posts, that's fine.
If Adstar doesn't agree with my way of writing, and the style of my responses, that's fine, too.
We in the East have a tendency to speak the truth in a direct and robust fashion. Calling a spade a spade.
And not mincing words.
(And P.S. Our spelling is perfect, and so too our grammar!
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God doesn't care for your artist's interpretation of His Beloved Son.
If you try to dodge the issue, and seek to support this blatant and offensive idolatry, I must warn you that God takes any insult to His Beloved Son VERY SERIOUSLY.
I find it shocking that instead of bowing before the God of Truth, the Almighty God, and obeying His commandments, we must 'kick against the pricks', find ways to circumvent what He sternly declares to be an Abomination, and choose to follow our own perverse imagination and intellect.
Runningman, read Isaiah 66:2.
If you try to dodge the issue, and seek to support this blatant and offensive idolatry, I must warn you that God takes any insult to His Beloved Son VERY SERIOUSLY.
I find it shocking that instead of bowing before the God of Truth, the Almighty God, and obeying His commandments, we must 'kick against the pricks', find ways to circumvent what He sternly declares to be an Abomination, and choose to follow our own perverse imagination and intellect.
Runningman, read Isaiah 66:2.