Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

[cv5]

Benny Hinn did repent. I heard his words with my own ears.

Oh really? Post the video or transcript. Thank you.

 

[cv5]

So I guess that hundreds of Muslims who have come to Jesus through the miraculous is hearsay?

Yep. Pretty much. Because I heard it from you....

 

[mustaphadrink]

Nope. When I hear the baby babbling supposed tounges and rolling on the ground falling over slaying in the Spirit business.......I bailout and never come back.

Probably a good thing as someone as cynical as you is not going to add anything to a meeting of any kind.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Benny Hinn did repent. I heard his words with my own ears.

Here's a clip of Hinn's "repentance." Following it is a video update by Justin Peters on Hinn's so-called repentance. Hinn is shamelessly using the war in Ukraine to try and scare people into sending him money. He says if they don't their investments won't "safe." There are more videos out there too which show Hinn still at his old tricks. C'mon.

 

[shittim]

Too easy to let the adversary trick one into focusing on others when we are to focus on the Lord.
He is what we are to compare our own lives to, not others.
This is how the devil deceives those who claim to be "Christian" yet are not.

 

[TheLearner]

A structure is only as solid as its foundation. In this short study into Pentecostalism's origins we'll discover whether it's built on solid rock or sinking sand.

Charles Fox Parham, Pentecostalism's acknowledged founder, spent the summer of 1900 at Frank W. Sanford's Holiness commune in Shiloh, Maine. While there, he learned of the Holiness doctrine of an approaching "latter rain," that is, an outpouring of the Holy Spirit which would fall on people as it had in the church's early day. This would be a sign of Christ's imminent return. What scriptural basis is there for the latter rain doctrine? James says: "Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and the late rains."—James 5:7 This is the only verse from which a case might be made for a latter rain. So we must understand clearly what this verse actually says. Is James instructing his readers to be patient for the latter rain or for Christ's return. He's clearly encouraging them be patient for the Lord's return using an agricultural metaphor to make his point. There are no other New Testament scriptures from which we can put together a "latter rain" doctrine; it simply isn't taught. In fact, rather than worldwide revival, the scriptures clearly reveal the world will descend into darkness before the Lord's return.

While at Shiloh, Sanford filled Parham's head with tales of foreign missionaries who had spontaneously begun speaking the language of their foreign hosts without ever learning the language. In other words, they could preach to them in their own languages using the gift of tongues. But what evidence is there of this ever really happening? None that I'm aware of. But Parham was fascinated; he was convinced that this was a sure sign of the end-time and Christ's imminent return.

Returning to Topeka, Kansas, Parham established a missionary training center. In December of 1900, he challenged his students to find evidence of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit like what happened in Acts 2. He also suggested that the surest evidence of this would be speaking in tongues. At their New Year's eve service, 1901, right on schedule, Agnes Ozman asked Parham to lay hands on her head and pray she would receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Ozman began singing in an unknown language, which someone identified as Chinese.

What's strange about this picture? First of all, there's no evidence from the New Testament that missionaries ever used the gift of tongues to preach the good news. When missionaries did eventually go to foreign countries after the "latter rains" started falling, they failed miserably. Secondly, notice that Parham gave his students a suggestion which they pondered for a month. This wasn't a spontaneous outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Parham orchestrated the whole thing.

So, the question I leave you with is this: If the tree is bad, how can the fruit possibly be good?

https://william-branham.org/site/research/people/frank_sanford
British Israelism
https://peoplepill.com/people/frank-sandford
Sounds like Joseph Smith
https://www.cabinet.com/opinion/cab...he-infamous-sadistic-religious-sect-in-maine/
https://www.cabinet.com/opinion/cab...he-infamous-sadistic-religious-sect-in-maine/

 

[shittim]

R.A.- you are always off in your understanding.

 

[TDidymas]

Here's a clip of Hinn's "repentance." Following it is a video update by Justin Peters on Hinn's so-called repentance. Hinn is shamelessly using the war in Ukraine to try and scare people into sending him money. He says if they don't their investments won't "safe." There are more videos out there too which show Hinn still at his old tricks. C'mon.

I watched those 2 videos, it only goes to show it's business as usual. Has Benny really repented? Then why didn't he rebuke those guys asking for 500-1000 dollars like he said he was going to do? Promise not kept.

Here's what someone else said about Benny's repentance:

What hits home is the fact that Benny hasn't sold anything nor given back anything.

Oh yes, his investments are protected.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I watched those 2 videos, it only goes to show it's business as usual. Has Benny really repented? Then why didn't he rebuke those guys asking for 500-1000 dollars like he said he was going to do? Promise not kept.

Here's what someone else said about Benny's repentance:

What hits home is the fact that Benny hasn't sold anything nor given back anything.

Oh yes, his investments are protected.

Oh man, that's epic. Benny can afford to repent!

 

[RichGladden]

There is scripture about God's abundant outpouring of His spirit in the latter times or last days. Isaiah 44:3. Joel 2:28. Zechariah 12:10. Acts 2:17.

It's my understanding that that's what the latter rain was about, the abundant outpouring of the spirit on man in the latter days.

Yes but from what I have seen with my own eyes, and heard with my own ears, it in no way promotes God or furthers His kingdom, but is an "at will display" of self-perceived righteousness, that edifies self only.

 

[RichGladden]

If it is built on sinking sand, why is it still going a hundred years later?

Do you believe Islam is the one true faith? Then why is it going on 100 years later and even longer? That does not make it right!

 

[shittim]

Yes but from what I have seen with my own eyes, and heard with my own ears, it in no way promotes God or furthers His kingdom, but is an "at will display" of self-perceived righteousness, that edifies self only.

I am seeing it further the gospel as Holy Spirit anointing is empowering His own.

 

[RichGladden]

I am seeing it further the gospel as Holy Spirit anointing is empowering His own.

I fear you see what you want to see and was trained to see, and nothing more.

 

[Blade]

So why don't you get off your big fat ass and go to your local Christian book store and buy a few of the books written on the topic as I did?

P.S. Apologies to the moderator but the guy is so arrogant and rude that I let my expression get the better of me.

No one controls us makes us do say anything we don't want to. So this talk by you should not ever be allowed here or any where by a believer in the lord Jesus Christ king of kings lord of lords who took our place and gave us a new spirit new man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness . We are told by GOD Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths but that which is good helpful, building up of others according to their needs. So bring grace to the hearers. As David said against thee and only thee have I sinned and done evil in your site.

So we can say were making fun of so and so yet that so and so? As Christ said if you have done it to the least of these my brethren you have done it unto me. That least is you also and me. Yeah its HIS kids we make fun of. As if "I don't believe in that" gives us a right to make fun of it? The fact you could be wrong then the one we are really making fun of is the sweet holy Spirit.

We need to make a choice...we follow Him or we don't. We talk act like the world or we don't. No one controls us. Simple fact is if its in us that is what comes out our mouth.

 

[RichGladden]

So why don't you get off your big fat ass and go to your local Christian book store and buy a few of the books written on the topic as I did?

P.S. Apologies to the moderator but the guy is so arrogant and rude that I let my expression get the better of me.

I hope PETA doesn't find out someone is still riding donkeys with our advanced technology. We will never hear the end of animal cruelty.

 

[shittim]

I fear you see what you want to see and was trained to see, and nothing more.

Since you fear you show you are not walking with Him
good bye

 

[RichGladden]

Since you fear you show you are not walking with Him
good bye

Nice virtue-signaling there!

 

[Dirtman]

Is William Branham an exemplar of Pentecostal? He claimed he was and so does many (at least claimants to be) Pentecostal preachers.

 

[RichGladden]

and?
What is your point ?
I think we can understand the Bible in different ways, but in general it must be the same.

Yes, you can interpret the Bible in countless ways, but that means nothing when there is only one truth, not ten, just one!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Is William Branham an exemplar of Pentecostal? He claimed he was and so does many (at least claimants to be) Pentecostal preachers.

i had to google him.

did you watch any of the videos about him?

Baptist (1929–1946) Pentecostal (1946–1960) Nondenominational (1960–1965)