Our new relationship to the law.

[Ogom]

@TMS

this is why the Bible tells us to be, "slow to speak and quick to hear". so much can be gained by reading what others have to say instead at times.

but if we do not listen much... we may miss, or never really learn what others are really saying -- when/if they are speaking a 'truth'. for we know "in part", and prophesy "in part". In Part = Not Whole.

 

[Ogom]

"The tongue only will give the right answer if the Creator guides it, as He intended to do with Moses and Jeremiah:

• Exo 4:11,12 -> “Then the LORD said to him, “Who has made man's mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the LORD? Now therefore go, and I will be with your mouth and teach you what you shall speak.”."

from: post , @so-jesus-e-deus

 

[Grandpa]

What scripture does my "philosophy" contradict and how does it do so?

Your philosophy contradicts scripture; specifically Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6.

You would have to answer the questions to find out.

 

[Grandpa]

@Grandpa and @eternally-gratefull,

I believe that satan has blinded you to certain scriptures that tell us that obedience is the sure result of being born again of the Holy Spirit.

I have referenced them time and time again, yet you continue to ignore them; as if they did not even exist in the context of holy scripture.

And then you want to turn around and say that I am blind.

That is you trampling over my pearls and turning again to rend me, impaho.

I'm not ignoring them.

I'm trying to help you actually understand them.

But you can't.

 

[justbyfaith]

You would have to answer the questions to find out.

Your questions are not viable;

They qualify as being mere arguments against the reality of what is taught in holy scripture.

You frame them in such a way that the answer to them would be in contradiction to certain biblical doctrines.

Is it not clear to you what is written in the following?

Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Or,

Because the spiritual mind is at peace with God: for it is subject to the law of God, and cannot e otherwise.

The law of the Lord is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10).

Does the answer to your question bring a person to a conclusion that is contrary to what that scripture teaches?

If so, then in asking the question, you are teaching something that is contrary to scripture.

 

[justbyfaith]

I'm not ignoring them.

I'm trying to help you actually understand them.

But you can't.

I understand your question and the logical conclusion of what you intend in asking them.

However, since the answers to your questions are in contradiction to what is taught by holy scripture, I reject the questions.

But, just so everything can be clear, I will go back and try to answer them.

 

[justbyfaith]

How can you not be entangled with the yoke of bondage if the yoke of bondage is what is written on your heart???

In that "the yoke of bondage", or, the law...you are not under it as concerning condemnation (Romans 6:14), are dead to it (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19), and are delivered from it (Romans 7:6); as concerning condemnation.

But that the law is in fact written on the heart of the New Covenant believer is evident (Hebrews 8:8-10; Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

Therefore we are in fact under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21) in that we willingly subject ourselves to the law in obedience.

For Jesus said, If you love me, obey my commandments; (John 14:15, 15:10) and I believe that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament as well as the New.

How can a person be dead to the law if that same law is written on their hearts?

They are dead to that law as concerning condemnation; because they are forgiven of past, present, and future sin.

The fact that they are dead to the law in no way means that they become disobedient (see Titus 3:3).

Obedience and disobedience is something that has to do with the law; for sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). And sin is disobedience, and disobedience is sin.

And concerning your question: you imply that the law is a yoke of bondage and that therefore it cannot be written on the heart of the New Covenant believer.

But that is merely an argument against what we find in Hebrews 8:8-10; which will be demolished by the weapons of our warfare which are not carnal but mighty in God for the pulling down of strongholds (2 Corinthians 10:3-5).

 

[justbyfaith]

In James 1:25, we find that if we look into the perfect law of liberty and continue in it, we will be blessed in what we do.

This is for the person who understands that he has been justified solely through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ. He is set free to be able to move onward and forward into "obedience to the faith" (Romans 1:5) and "the obedience of faith" (Romans 16:26).

Such passages as Galatians 3:10 are in reference to those who are seeking to be justified by the law (see also Galatians 5:1-4).

I would encourage everyone to read Matthew 7:24-27 and Luke 6:47-49 and realize that these passages are in reference to everything that Jesus gave as moral tenets in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) and in the Sermon on the Plain (Luke 6:20-49).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I understand your question and the logical conclusion of what you intend in asking them.

However, since the answers to your questions are in contradiction to what is taught by holy scripture, I reject the questions.

But, just so everything can be clear, I will go back and try to answer them.

@Grandpa not sure we can help this one

its his way or the highway.

I still thinks he needs to change his name, “just by faith” is not somethign he really believes. So why would he promote what he does not believe? Maybe its a smoke screen used to keep people from seeing what he really believes?

 

[justbyfaith]

@Grandpa not sure we can help this one

its his way or the highway.

I still thinks he needs to change his name, “just by faith” is not somethign he really believes. So why would he promote what he does not believe? Maybe its a smoke screen used to keep people from seeing what he really believes?

There is no doubt in my mind that I know that I am saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

I am justified (declared righteous) by faith in Jesus.

It is impossible for God to lie (Hebrews 6:18, Titus 1:2).

So, if God has declared me righteous, He has made me righteous (see also Romans 5:19, 1 john 3:7, Matthew 5:6).

So, I am just, just by faith.

My righteousness is given to me as a gift (Romans 5:17) and a free one at that (Romans 5:15-19).

It is not something that I have to work at.

Because the Holy Spirit has been given to me through faith (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14), the love of the Lord is shed abroad in my heart (Romans 5:5).

And this love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18); it is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within me (Romans 13:8-10, Romans 8:4).

Jhn 8:43, Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is no doubt in my mind that I know that I am saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

I am justified (declared righteous) by faith in Jesus.

It is impossible for God to lie (Hebrews 6:18, Titus 1:2).

So, if God has declared me righteous, He has made me righteous (see also Romans 5:19, 1 john 3:7, Matthew 5:6).

So, I am just, just by faith.

My righteousness is given to me as a gift (Romans 5:17) and a free one at that (Romans 5:15-19).

It is not something that I have to work at.

Because the Holy Spirit has been given to me through faith (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14), the love of the Lord is shed abroad in my heart (Romans 5:5).

And this love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18); it is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within me (Romans 13:8-10, Romans 8:4).

Jhn 8:43, Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Faith plus water baptism in Jesus name plus all the other things you preach.
Good luck my friend

 

[justbyfaith]

I understand your question and the logical conclusion of what you intend in asking them.

However, since the answers to your questions are in contradiction to what is taught by holy scripture, I reject the questions.

But, just so everything can be clear, I will go back and try to answer them.

@Grandpa not sure we can help this one

I said that I would go back and try to answer the questions.

If you were certain that your questions were airtight cases for your doctrine, you would have been confident that in trying to answer them, I would have been convinced of your point of view.

 

[justbyfaith]

Faith plus water baptism in Jesus name plus all the other things you preach.
Good luck my friend

Faith in the operation of God (in water baptism)...Colossians 2:12.

Col 2:12, Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

In that water baptism in Jesus' name is an identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ...

And as such is a confession of Christ before men.

Mat 10:32, Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Luk 12:8, Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

 

[justbyfaith]

plus all the other things you preach.

And you judge them to be heresy because you do not understand how they are completely in conjunction with such passages as Ephesians 2:8-9, is what I gather.

I think that you should seek to understand how the Bible fits together in its entirety and not favour verses that might give you a license for immorality.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And you judge them to be heresy because you do not understand how they are completely in conjunction with such passages as Ephesians 2:8-9, is what I gather.

I think that you should seek to understand how the Bible fits together in its entirety and not favour verses that might give you a license for immorality.

I rest my case

Thank you for your last few posts that prove what I said

Good luck with your self righteousness.. I hope you get what you seek.

 

[justbyfaith]

I rest my case

Thank you for your last few posts that prove what I said

Good luck with your self righteousness.. I hope you get what you seek.

I will pray for you so that you may have what I have (which has nothing to do with "self").

 

[justbyfaith]

I rest my case

You lost the case.

 

[Grandpa]

Your questions are not viable;

They qualify as being mere arguments against the reality of what is taught in holy scripture.

You frame them in such a way that the answer to them would be in contradiction to certain biblical doctrines.

Is it not clear to you what is written in the following?

Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Or,

Because the spiritual mind is at peace with God: for it is subject to the law of God, and cannot e otherwise.

The law of the Lord is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10).

Does the answer to your question bring a person to a conclusion that is contrary to what that scripture teaches?

If so, then in asking the question, you are teaching something that is contrary to scripture.

Nope.

If you answered them they would not contradict scripture.

They would contradict your understanding of scripture. Which obviously is easy for you to see.


So you are on purpose contradicting scripture. Interesting. In order to uphold your philosophy instead.


I always thought it was more important to get to the Truth than anything else. But I see more and more, that people don't really want the Truth. They just want their philosophy and tickled ears.

 

[Grandpa]

There is no doubt in my mind that I know that I am saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

I am justified (declared righteous) by faith in Jesus.

It is impossible for God to lie (Hebrews 6:18, Titus 1:2).

So, if God has declared me righteous, He has made me righteous (see also Romans 5:19, 1 john 3:7, Matthew 5:6).

So, I am just, just by faith.

My righteousness is given to me as a gift (Romans 5:17) and a free one at that (Romans 5:15-19).

It is not something that I have to work at.

Because the Holy Spirit has been given to me through faith (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14), the love of the Lord is shed abroad in my heart (Romans 5:5).

And this love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18); it is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within me (Romans 13:8-10, Romans 8:4).

Jhn 8:43, Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Galatians 3:3-5
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

 

[justbyfaith]

Nope.

If you answered them they would not contradict scripture.

They would contradict your understanding of scripture. Which obviously is easy for you to see.


So you are on purpose contradicting scripture. Interesting. In order to uphold your philosophy instead.


I always thought it was more important to get to the Truth than anything else. But I see more and more, that people don't really want the Truth. They just want their philosophy and tickled ears.

Actually, I answered your questions in a manner that does not contradict what scripture actually says.

When I interpret scripture, I do not use eisegesis.

I exegete the text (I pull from the text what it actually says rather than reading into the text what I want it to say).

For the Lord has given me an unction from the holy one (1 John 2:20).