Just poppin in here for one more brief comment--as it's all I have time for--regarding the word
"after" in the phrase
"after the workings of Satan"... this isn't the kind of "after" that is the
"before-and-after" KIND of "after". Instead, it is this word:
Strong's Greek: 2596. κατά (kata) -- down, against, according to (biblehub.com) -
G2596
[not referring to "sequence" or "order-of-events" here; rather, "according to the workings of Satan"]
g'night all. = )
Didn't the doctrine like this part?
2596 katá (a preposition, governing two grammatical cases) –
properly, "down from, i.e. from a higher to a lower plane, with special reference to the terminus (end-point)" (J. Thayer).
Pre trib can't start in 1 Thess because it speaks of those who have
'passed through death and risen', LIKE CHRIST who are returning WITH HIM. THAT CAN'T BE THE CHURCH BECAUSE
they didn't die all at the same time, on the same day but it is when the 'church' is gathered. Only ones who spend time in heaven are those who were SAVED before death and rising.
So it is the CHURCH aka the 'alive and remaining' WHO ARE CHANGED and gathered to be in the air with them
at the last trump/the 7th/GODS trump and that is when the Lords Day begins, HERE ON EARTH.
It can't be 2 Thess because the DAY being SPOKEN OF is CLEARLY GIVEN US AS BEING
2 Thessalonians 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in
all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure (THAT WOULD BE ALL PERSECUTIONS, NOT JUST SOME AS SOME SUGGEST)
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God,
that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer ('ALL' being a requirement to be counted worthy of the kingdom of God. Not ALL for some and only SOME for others)
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you
(TRUTH IS it is because it is a RIGHTEOUS thing to RECOMPENSE tribulation TO THEM. WE HAVE A JOB TO DO. God has a plan and that plan has LAWS. We must take into consideration that the WICKED have to be wicked TO BE SENTENCED FOR BEING WICKED. GOD CAN'T put a murderer to DEATH if he isn't a murderer SO someone needs to be murdered )
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus
shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
(How is THE LORD to be REVEALED? With HIS MIGHTY ANGELS)
8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ
(Who do you suppose of those who KNOW NOT GOD do you see as still 'living' on past this moment?)
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power
(There is an answer to that question. I AM GOING WITH NO BABIES BEING BORN TO THOSE WHO KNOW NOT GOD ANYWHERE PAST THE DAY OF VENGEANCE)
10 When He shall come
to be glorified in His saints,
(NOT WITH BUT IN, AS IN THE 'CHURCH' IS HERE WHEN HE RETURNS AT THE END OF THE TRIBULATION. THIS AGE ENDS WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF SATAN AND HIS KINGDOM, AND THAT IS EXACTLY HOW THE LORDS DAY ENDS ALSO )
and to be admired in all them that believe
(because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
And that 'testimony' requires for 'us', the servants of God, taking the word to the UTTERMOST parts of the earth, to be here, for that to happen
But back to the subject at hand
11 Wherefore also we pray always for you,
that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil
ALL the good pleasure of his goodness,
and the work of faith with power:
12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and
by our gathering together unto Him,
(TAKE NOTICE THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO MENTION OF 'A CHANGE' FROM THE DAY 'WHEN HE COMES WITH HIS ANGELS'. No 'shift in time' no shift in wording, just a CONTINUING ON of the subject at hand, ONE SENTENCE AGO. TO CHANGE IT WOULD BE A SIN)
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for
that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
THE DAY WE ARE GATHERED TO HIM, IS THE DAY HE returns
"
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ When He shall come to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired
in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
WHICH 1000% AGREES WITH
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
THE FIRST ADVENT
AND THE SECOND ADVENT
and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that He might be glorified.
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you
to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast,
and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope
through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you
in every good word and work.
Do you REALIZE that pre trib requires
THIS TAKE PLACE 1ST
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
SO THAT THIS CAN TAKE PLACE
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
SO THAT THIS CAN TAKE PLACE
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
, and it appears I'm going to have to back-track a bit in order to get up to speed... (will have to do later, as I am pressed for time, atm!)
