Obedience is not Legalism, it is.....
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I dont really know of anyone who thinks they can go and do whatever they want after salvation.
The truth though is that obedience isn't linked to initial receiving eternal life from Jesus.
Salvation is all about Him and what He does for us. It isn't about the person receiving earning it or jumping through any hoops to get it.
It's his gift.. not our effort.
So.. because of this great, unearned, unmerited gift given, what would be the response back?
A christian understands this grace. That's why they obey.
Not because they have to, but out of love for Jesus in His grace given.
Obedience in loving God to have rewards in heaven, not to get to heaven in the first place.
The truth though is that obedience isn't linked to initial receiving eternal life from Jesus.
Salvation is all about Him and what He does for us. It isn't about the person receiving earning it or jumping through any hoops to get it.
It's his gift.. not our effort.
So.. because of this great, unearned, unmerited gift given, what would be the response back?
A christian understands this grace. That's why they obey.
Not because they have to, but out of love for Jesus in His grace given.
Obedience in loving God to have rewards in heaven, not to get to heaven in the first place.
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Obedience to Jesus, and His teachings while here on earth IS NOT "trying to follow the Law of the First Testament." That's the mistake so many here make when they set upon those of us who understand obedience is an act of love for Jesus/God BECAUSE of our salvation by grace through faith. The New Covenant Law is the Law of FAITH! As described by the Apostle Paul. It is not the Law of Moses from the Old Testament.
If people could understand this, they would be a whole lot closer to God and Scripture Truths. Salvation is the FIRST step, not the last. Sanctification is needed for a believer to have that "personal relationship" with God that He desires to have with us. Sanctification comes through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.
This is why blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin. It will NOT be forgiven in this world, or the next Scripture says. BECAUSE the Holy Spirit is the VERY ESSENCE OF GOD! Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is blaspheme of the very essence of God!
I make NO effort to follow the Laws of Moses and the Jewish Religion. Those Laws were fulfilled by Jesus!
During His Ministry, Jesus gave us many things/commandments, and these are those I strive daily to obey!
If people could understand this, they would be a whole lot closer to God and Scripture Truths. Salvation is the FIRST step, not the last. Sanctification is needed for a believer to have that "personal relationship" with God that He desires to have with us. Sanctification comes through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.
This is why blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin. It will NOT be forgiven in this world, or the next Scripture says. BECAUSE the Holy Spirit is the VERY ESSENCE OF GOD! Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is blaspheme of the very essence of God!
I make NO effort to follow the Laws of Moses and the Jewish Religion. Those Laws were fulfilled by Jesus!
During His Ministry, Jesus gave us many things/commandments, and these are those I strive daily to obey!
Stay here a bit longer and you will discover how wrong your statement is. No, seriously. Just say around awhile. You would THINK what you say WOULD be true, but, based on many, many comments/teachings here.....it is not.
There are those here who believe that they ONLY have to repent and ask for forgiveness ONCE. After that....ALL SINS THEY COMMIT for the rest of their lives, and any disobedience they commit is also not counted/held against them. They believe they NEVER AGAIN ask God to forgive them of any sins they commit. Others believe nothing they do matters, or has any effect upon their receiving eternal life because they were "chosen from the beginning." Nothing they can do about it. They will receive eternal life regardless of how they live.
Reading one paragraph and then denouncing the Post is like reading one Paragraph of Scripture and denouncing all of Scripture. Or, reading one paragraph of a History Book and denouncing all of History. Limited education/knowledge is not a good way to achieve understanding.
I do not care if you disagree with me. That is your right. BUT if you believe a person can spend their lives living in disobedience to Jesus/God and still receive eternal life............then I surely disagree with you.
There are those here who believe that they ONLY have to repent and ask for forgiveness ONCE. After that....ALL SINS THEY COMMIT for the rest of their lives, and any disobedience they commit is also not counted/held against them. They believe they NEVER AGAIN ask God to forgive them of any sins they commit. Others believe nothing they do matters, or has any effect upon their receiving eternal life because they were "chosen from the beginning." Nothing they can do about it. They will receive eternal life regardless of how they live.
Reading one paragraph and then denouncing the Post is like reading one Paragraph of Scripture and denouncing all of Scripture. Or, reading one paragraph of a History Book and denouncing all of History. Limited education/knowledge is not a good way to achieve understanding.
I do not care if you disagree with me. That is your right. BUT if you believe a person can spend their lives living in disobedience to Jesus/God and still receive eternal life............then I surely disagree with you.
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1. For one thing: Jesus taught us that God came for the sinners. Why might that be? For it was explained, that they see their errors, while the pious can stand about pointing fingers and harassing others while they think they stand free.
2. Obedience IS important... hence, the reformation, but it gives us no right to cast stones, unless we find ourselves free of sin to cast stones.
3. Arrogance is one of the "worst" sins. In thinking we have no sin to judge others.... which is always a lie... for all of us have sinned. Thus, forgiveness is the way. If we can help even one... through confession and uplifting them to the Holy One, then we do a great service... as opposed to condemning and hating and casting others to death... when we could have otherwise saved them.
4. Are we give our "talents" to save... or using our "talents" to bury others.
5. If we are the "light," then shall we not bring light with out words? Or should we shroud our own light and become darkness to others?
6. Shall we use our pain to destroy? For wide is the gate that leads to destruction. For we have all had enough pain to become destruction. Or shall we use our light to shine upon others and spread light?
I could go on and on. But is scripture not enough? to tell us that we shall live by peace, and kindness, and forgiveness and light?
However, there are some who will not hear, but then we are taught to judge the spirits? Look and find. Just ask God as you go... not ask yourself what pain you've been through and how you want to destroy. Ask, how can I save a life? not kill it! Godspeed!
1. For one thing: Jesus taught us that God came for the sinners. Why might that be? For it was explained, that they see their errors, while the pious can stand about pointing fingers and harassing others while they think they stand free.
2. Obedience IS important... hence, the reformation, but it gives us no right to cast stones, unless we find ourselves free of sin to cast stones.
3. Arrogance is one of the "worst" sins. In thinking we have no sin to judge others.... which is always a lie... for all of us have sinned. Thus, forgiveness is the way. If we can help even one... through confession and uplifting them to the Holy One, then we do a great service... as opposed to condemning and hating and casting others to death... when we could have otherwise saved them.
4. Are we give our "talents" to save... or using our "talents" to bury others.
5. If we are the "light," then shall we not bring light with out words? Or should we shroud our own light and become darkness to others?
6. Shall we use our pain to destroy? For wide is the gate that leads to destruction. For we have all had enough pain to become destruction. Or shall we use our light to shine upon others and spread light?
I could go on and on. But is scripture not enough? to tell us that we shall live by peace, and kindness, and forgiveness and light?
However, there are some who will not hear, but then we are taught to judge the spirits? Look and find. Just ask God as you go... not ask yourself what pain you've been through and how you want to destroy. Ask, how can I save a life? not kill it! Godspeed!
I agree with you. IF you are trying to suggest I am guilty of those things you wrote, then you do not know me.
However, there are some who will not hear, but then we are taught to judge the spirits? Look and find. Just ask God as you go... not ask yourself what pain you've been through and how you want to destroy. Ask, how can I save a life? not kill it! Godspeed!
True. But none of this was included in my OP.
However, there are some who will not hear, but then we are taught to judge the spirits? Look and find. Just ask God as you go... not ask yourself what pain you've been through and how you want to destroy. Ask, how can I save a life? not kill it! Godspeed!
True. But none of this was included in my OP.
Oh, bless your heart! I was not judging you. I was simply asking the questions that seem to plague man, burden man, and cause man to err through the years. I am so sorry, if you thought I was attacking you. It's not so. I just hear a question, and I also hear (in my heart), God telling me to share things that many don't see. Sounds crazy to many I'm sure. But it's not. It just depends on how long we "seek," I'd say. And when we seek long enough, it seems we build a relationship with the Holy One. And when we build a relationship, it seems He gives us words to say that may not even be pointed to the one we speak with immediately, but with many who need to hear. I hope you can, in part, understand a lil of what I say. And I hope you the best. For God-seeking people are the best people. 
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Obedience is an evidence that a person believes what they say they believe. Actually it does not prove a whole lot as there are unbelievers that make quite a religious appearance but have never been converted by grace through faith into Christ.
There are so many levels of disobedience that it is impossible to count them.
If obedience is mixed with formalism does it become legalism?
The saving grace of God is so wonderful that I cannot dare to limit it's to save and keep all those who have received it. The parable of the sower we have seed falling onto different soils but only one does not germinate.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There are so many levels of disobedience that it is impossible to count them.
If obedience is mixed with formalism does it become legalism?
The saving grace of God is so wonderful that I cannot dare to limit it's to save and keep all those who have received it. The parable of the sower we have seed falling onto different soils but only one does not germinate.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
And yet, if we only seek to philosophize... in hearing our own thoughts... but never find a way to heal another ... and help them through a cause... then what good have we done.
It's like burying a talent. I used to do that. Til God taught me to try my best to help... instead of searching for my own knowledge. Of course, I could not help ... until God showed me knowledge. You see, it's a strange thing... but it's how if we seek, we shall find. But then, when we truly find, we can give back. Then we can become the light among the dark. And hopefully, spread our light
It's like burying a talent. I used to do that. Til God taught me to try my best to help... instead of searching for my own knowledge. Of course, I could not help ... until God showed me knowledge. You see, it's a strange thing... but it's how if we seek, we shall find. But then, when we truly find, we can give back. Then we can become the light among the dark. And hopefully, spread our light
