not of works, but created in Christ unto good works
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No, not more demanding under Christ! When we assimilate the "spirit" of the law like in the Beatitudes, we start keeping the real part of the law. We can't just not kill those that disagree with us, we have to learn to not hate him. We can't just not ravage that beautiful woman that is not our wife, we have to not desire her.
We must bring our minds and our hearts into God's graces. That is the least we can do. Does it save us? Well God is not going to drag us to salvation, kicking and screaming against Him. He takes care of the big things in our lives, but we show God our gratitude by doing little things for Him. Things that run against our nature. That is how we die daily. I just thought I would share this.
We must bring our minds and our hearts into God's graces. That is the least we can do. Does it save us? Well God is not going to drag us to salvation, kicking and screaming against Him. He takes care of the big things in our lives, but we show God our gratitude by doing little things for Him. Things that run against our nature. That is how we die daily. I just thought I would share this.
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Pro 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.
Pro 28:27 He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Scripture seems to indicate, giving to the poor is a work of the law, NOT a good work, as you understand it to be.
And there is one work we must do to be born again or saved.
Scripture us clear. Faith without a corresponding work, is dead.
Until one puts action to what one believes, God will not save that person.
You can repent all day, but until you act on the gospel, at the very least, by accepting the gospel and confessing Jesus as your own personal lord and savior, said person will remain as before. NOT SAVED.
Both faith and believing REQUIRE some type of action on our part.
Try casting out a demon by simply believing within your heart it will come out.
The same applies to receiving salvation.
Nothing will happen, except, the person might think they are born again, when they are not.
As for a good work, I believe, if the power of God wasn't involved to where God did the work, then it wasn't a good work.
Casting out an dirty spirit, is a good work, because you can't remove it with any of your strength, abilities, or power.
You do the commanding, but God does the work through your spoken word, and therefore gets the glory.
That is one example of a good work.
All the kind and compassionate works you do are simply works of the law, NOT good works.
I believe that is a more accurate description of what the bible's definition of a good work is.
Pro 28:27 He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Scripture seems to indicate, giving to the poor is a work of the law, NOT a good work, as you understand it to be.
And there is one work we must do to be born again or saved.
Scripture us clear. Faith without a corresponding work, is dead.
Until one puts action to what one believes, God will not save that person.
You can repent all day, but until you act on the gospel, at the very least, by accepting the gospel and confessing Jesus as your own personal lord and savior, said person will remain as before. NOT SAVED.
Both faith and believing REQUIRE some type of action on our part.
Try casting out a demon by simply believing within your heart it will come out.
The same applies to receiving salvation.
Nothing will happen, except, the person might think they are born again, when they are not.
As for a good work, I believe, if the power of God wasn't involved to where God did the work, then it wasn't a good work.
Casting out an dirty spirit, is a good work, because you can't remove it with any of your strength, abilities, or power.
You do the commanding, but God does the work through your spoken word, and therefore gets the glory.
That is one example of a good work.
All the kind and compassionate works you do are simply works of the law, NOT good works.
I believe that is a more accurate description of what the bible's definition of a good work is.
Yes you would be right In saying good work has to do with the power of GOD moving In a situation.JESUS IS the VINE and those that have been born AGain of Incorruptible seed are members of HIS body receiving sustenance from the VINE and displaying spiritual fruit establishing the law and LOVE IS a fruit of the Spirit and all the law and the prophets are summed up In one word,love.
But like I said In my post going to church can be of a works mentality If your motives are not In TRUTH In faith.
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The preacher says turn around and greet someone and you see someone coming toward you to greet you and In your mind you say oh please don't come over here but they come straight to you and then you smile real big so that everyone sees that you are greeting someone and hug or shake their hand,Is that what GOD wants since you said In your heart I don't want to greet them and then you greeted them not In truth,that's a works mentality and not In TRUTH.
GOD looks at the heart/motives man looks at outward appearances.
Same thing for giving to the poor.
Giving to the poor can be a good work according to fruit of the Spirit that someone has received and displaying but giving to the poor If It's not In TRUTH can be a selfish work of the flesh.
IE a person In church Is giving to the poor so that everyone knows they should be greatly admired at that church but maybe they haven't even went to visit the person they are helping with their giving.Now It Is a good work to men but GOD looks at the heart.
But like I said In my post going to church can be of a works mentality If your motives are not In TRUTH In faith.
IE
The preacher says turn around and greet someone and you see someone coming toward you to greet you and In your mind you say oh please don't come over here but they come straight to you and then you smile real big so that everyone sees that you are greeting someone and hug or shake their hand,Is that what GOD wants since you said In your heart I don't want to greet them and then you greeted them not In truth,that's a works mentality and not In TRUTH.
GOD looks at the heart/motives man looks at outward appearances.
Same thing for giving to the poor.
Giving to the poor can be a good work according to fruit of the Spirit that someone has received and displaying but giving to the poor If It's not In TRUTH can be a selfish work of the flesh.
IE a person In church Is giving to the poor so that everyone knows they should be greatly admired at that church but maybe they haven't even went to visit the person they are helping with their giving.Now It Is a good work to men but GOD looks at the heart.
Strange question my friend.
But to try and answer your question GOD IS OMNIPOTENT (all powerful) OMNIPRESENT (present everywhere)and OMNICIENT (all knowing) perfect,right and just ,so then GOD would know who would accept HIM but they would HAVE to repent because JESUS said that no one can come to HIM unless the FATHER who sent HIM draw them,this Is talking about your conscience being In truth In other words a person can’t just repeat words after a preacher and get saved In truth,they might have been trying to Impress a girl at church or trying to Impress their parents,ect... but the person has to be repentant truly.
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Matthew 4:7
King James Version
7From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
But to try and answer your question GOD IS OMNIPOTENT (all powerful) OMNIPRESENT (present everywhere)and OMNICIENT (all knowing) perfect,right and just ,so then GOD would know who would accept HIM but they would HAVE to repent because JESUS said that no one can come to HIM unless the FATHER who sent HIM draw them,this Is talking about your conscience being In truth In other words a person can’t just repeat words after a preacher and get saved In truth,they might have been trying to Impress a girl at church or trying to Impress their parents,ect... but the person has to be repentant truly.
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Matthew 4:7
King James Version
7From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Hello Macabeus, what do you mean by, "we are fed off of those works" 
Thanks!
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Thanks!
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"My meat is to do the will of My Father and to finish His work."
As we bear His yoke we are labourers with Him and He lets us bear what we can handle of fellowship in His sufferings, to grow in "Faith that Works by Love." Works representing Jesus at work in us: we are fed by Jesus to grow in Love, we partake of the Body of Christ. Many will be disappointed in the Resurrection who remained babes in Christ and loose their reward. "Behold I come quickly and my reward is with me to give to every man according to his works." This does not at all mea that we are saved by works: no one coul attain to the Resurrection.
I was thinking of writing a post on discerning between the works of the flesh and the Work of God, but I'm rather glad that this is done here on this post.
"Meat is for those who are mature who have their senses exercised to fully discern between good and evil. I have a 2 hour study on the subject: Getting past myself to journey in fellowship with God. Still a work in progress that began 3 years ago. I will update the part on my page here.
John 6:44, The drawing in this verse, according to "Strong's interpretation of the original Greek meaning, is "#1670, to draw, to drag off". This would be a drawing by God that man could not resist. It is God's choice, not man's. By God's foreknowledge, he knew that no one would accept him Psalms 14:2. The Kingdom of heaven is one of many names that the scriptures refer to as the church that Jesus set up. Matt 16:28, Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. If David was one of those that God gave to his Son to die for the remission of their sins, then, even if David had not repented of his sins, he would still go to heaven. John 6:38, Jesus said so, that he would not lose even one of those that he died for.
Christ coming back to earth and reigning in his kingdom is a false doctrine. Christ is reigning as king in his kingdom (the church) now, and has been sense the days of the Apostles. Matt 16:28, Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, until they see the Son of man coming in his Kingdom.
"The fashion of this world passes away," This present world is temporary: there will be a Restoration of all things on the last day. But if you already decided that the reign of Jesus for a 1,000 years is false, God does not need my help to convince you or anyone of anything. He told me so when I tried to convince someone that Jesus is God, He simply said: I dont need your help. Then I gradually understood, that we need His help and not the other way around. So neither do you need to convince anyone of anything. "If I understand all miseries and have not Love, I am nothing."
You should not jump to conclusion to fit people in boxes, just as God does not fit in a temple made with hands we are made in His image, but neither do we know Him in our understanding, "If any man thinks he knows he does not know as he should." IF WE THINK WE KNOW WE STOP LEARNING, RATHER THAN ENTER THE WISDOM OF GOD IN CHRIST. Was hoping this tread without argument, seeming to be "The simplicity of Christ." I have been turned away from this site as many enjoy arguing, "Only by pride comes contention. Over 2 Months ago the Lord told me: Your time is very short. Cant afford quarrels and unresolved anger anymore...
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