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Yeah but many of them knees will be Below.

13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and [g]ever!”
At some point for sure migo......
 
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Me either. I've never used the ignore button before but I'm going to town with it tonight.
I have a few in that location.....one in particular....If I engage him too many times the Marine wants to come out and play and I done had a few days in time out already because of the drivel....and I like CC and my friends too much to get banned over someone peddling a false teaching invented by an ex Catholic in the 1500's
 

Oncefallen

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Through all the time on this thread with so many naysayers, those that pushed salvation can be lost, never have I seen so many

dislikes and red x's thrown out by one single person.

Sad really.
Vengeance is mine, sayeth JR:devilish:
@Oncefallen ....another antagonising,baiting post JR...........jackrosie................it’s as though they want me out of this thread...like a ganging up....can you see their pattern,yet they accuse me of hitting the button.they hit the button and support each other...my observation.
This poster also seems to take what I say personally....
So, @jackrosie you incite the sarcasm of other users because overnight you have become the X (16 in 24 hours) queen of CC and you call them antagonistic? Passive aggressive much?
 

Magenta

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So, @jackrosie you incite the sarcasm of other users because overnight you have become the X (16 in 24 hours) queen of CC and you call them antagonistic? Passive aggressive much?
Did that come across as sarcasm? It was meant to be humorous. I know people call sarcasm humor, but if it is, it is of a type I don't care for, mostly because when people use it, they are saying something they don't mean, like saying they really love something when they hate it. I much prefer saying what I mean, straightforward, and to the point :)
 
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So, @jackrosie you incite the sarcasm of other users because overnight you have become the X (16 in 24 hours) queen of CC and you call them antagonistic? Passive aggressive much?

If I recall correctly, and I do, there were several antagonizing her, several against one person for days on end. Really plain to see. She was correct in calling them antagonistic. Several against one person is not much in comparison to her red X count against them. Several went after her, that was used as a defense mechanism.
 
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If I recall correctly, and I do, there were several antagonizing her, several against one person for days on end. Really plain to see. She was correct in calling them antagonistic. Several against one person is not much in comparison to her red X count against them. Several went after her, that was used as a defense mechanism.
🎻 🎻 🎻
 

soggykitten

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For those interested in the truth of the matter, Irresistible Grace does not teach grace cannot be resisted. :)

There is no need to assume something has been defeated when one does not know what it actually teaches. Those poor straw men getting beat up all the time! :cry:;)

"And when I say it’s irresistible grace, I certainly do not mean you can’t resist it. Irresistible grace is often laughed out of court by pointing to obvious texts in the Bible that say we do resist the Holy Spirit, and they’re all over the place, right? For example, Acts 7:51 says, “You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you.” And then here’s this kook John Piper who talks about irresistible grace. And some might say, “Well, that’s ridiculous. Of course, it’s not irresistible because the Bible says it can be resisted. So stop talking about irresistible grace.”

Well, no, I’m not going to stop talking about it because all it means is whenever God pleases, he overcomes your resistance."

more: https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/the-free-will-of-the-wind/excerpts/is-grace-really-irresistible
Maybe you're being ironic?
 
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You know.....

God so loved the Kosmos (whole order of things) that he sent his Son to die for the sins of the WORLD the bible states. The invisible testifies, the creation testifies so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE. God would have ALL MEN come to repentance and be saved or come to the knowledge of the truth and he takes NO PLEASURE in the death of the wicked.

Calvinism says...

MAN A WILL be saved
MAN B WILL burn in hell and has no choice

My bible states no such foolishness!

Even JESUS had to take flesh and CHOOSE....he was GIVEN MILK AND HONEY FROM his young age to KNOW to choose the good over the evil.

Adam had a choice
Cain had a choice to repent
Joshua had a choice
Jonah had a choice
Jesus had a choice
THE angel in Revelation gives men a choice

MY BIBLE TEACHES choice......IT does not teach Calvinism's NO CHOICE VIEW....!
 
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This part of our back and forth came out of a comment you made to EleventhHour.

Where I came in? I have been here for a while. You came in and made comments that cannot be supported.

When someone makes comments that cannot be supported, I may call them on it. So sad for you.
I started this current discussion with a posting to support blue lake's comment about truth. It was not directed to you in the first place.

You replied to that posting, to ask me various questions about my point.

I reply to your questions out of respect for you.

If you feel those replies are not agreeable in your point of view, you are free to disagree and we can move on. There is no need to express sadness for me here. I am fine no matter how you feel. ;)
 
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Still does not answer the question. All rightly then, since that is your response, perhaps you could try living up to the standard you have set for others and stop poking your nose into other people's affairs, questioning their behavior, and acting as if other people should be doing something other than what they are, since according to you, it is "none of your business." Personally I prefer mutually respectful reciprocity, but you are right, I have no control over the bad behaviors of others. If you thought I did not know this already, you are sadly mistaken.
Just because you disagree with the answer, does not mean the answer to your question was not given.

If you disagree with my view, I am fine, move on.
 
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I was not asking about that post, and I have said as much already. Your behavior indicates that you repeatedly refuse to answer questions, while you criticize others for that very same thing. You also make claims that are contradictory, un-Bilbical, and cannot be supported in any way at all, and instead of admitting such, you pretend the subject is something else, and deflect away, which smacks of dishonesty. Fine. Be that way. I have a clearer picture of you now.
I cannot control how you perceive me, in your own individual movie screening.

If you want to perceive me as contradictory, dishonest and critical of others, you have the right to do so, its your movie.
 

Magenta

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You know.....

God so loved the Kosmos (whole order of things) that he sent his Son to die for the sins of the WORLD the bible states. The invisible testifies, the creation testifies so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE. God would have ALL MEN come to repentance and be saved or come to the knowledge of the truth and he takes NO PLEASURE in the death of the wicked.

Calvinism says...

MAN A WILL be saved
MAN B WILL burn in hell and has no choice

My bible states no such foolishness!

Even JESUS had to take flesh and CHOOSE....he was GIVEN MILK AND HONEY FROM his young age to KNOW to choose the good over the evil.

Adam had a choice
Cain had a choice to repent
Joshua had a choice
Jonah had a choice
Jesus had a choice
THE angel in Revelation gives men a choice

MY BIBLE TEACHES choice......IT does not teach Calvinism's NO CHOICE VIEW....!






 

GrimmBro3

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It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!
Amen. We do not the works of righteousness in order that they should save us, but the works of righteousness are the natural fruit from the one who has been saved. How can it be that we should have the triune God indwelling us and see no evidence of His presence in our lives? It's not only oxymoronic - but I submit to you impossible.

No, we are not saved because of our works; and yet, we are not saved if there are no works to follow that great miracle of new birth in Christ.