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Only OSAS adherents think this. The rest of us know you have to twist the Word, extract isolated sentences out of context and ignore large portions. Some of you even quote passages and totally ignore the conditions required of us seeing only what God does.
My personal favorite flaw besides the theory that those who don’t die (survive) during the GT won’t die afterwards either, is the touché that if OSAS isn’t true then God is a liar. That those who taught them this are doesn’t enlighten their imagination.
My personal favorite flaw besides the theory that those who don’t die (survive) during the GT won’t die afterwards either, is the touché that if OSAS isn’t true then God is a liar. That those who taught them this are doesn’t enlighten their imagination.
The “ancients” were more clearly aware of the warnings Christ gave and the difference between their part and God’s part. The Holy Spirit doesn’t prevent falling away and never promises to which is WHY they were warned. Jesus said many would fall away from the faith and didn’t add “but they were never true believers anyway” as OSAS does. At that time OSAS theology hadn’t been invented.
The plan of the OSAS Gospel is easy. Once you experience salvation (which varies between believers some not requiring repentance from sin), you are going to Heaven no matter what you do the rest of your life. That’s the plan. That’s it.
It gets complex if you look at real life. Some OSAS believers later fall away from the faith so they explain that as they were never really a part since they left not realizing that they are making the standard for being saved a future event. (Don’t leave=saved but leave•never saved.)
They divide going to heaven from becoming like Jesus, the latter being an optional extra and something the Holy Spirit is completely in charge of who is to change them in their sleep so their own desires suffer no loss of pleasure. (They either are changed so they want to do right or it doesn’t matter to them anyway.)
Now anyone who doesn’t believe this will face an onslaught of very unchristian adjectives. Love your enemy doesn’t apply to those who consider obeying God as a necessary part in becoming one of His.
It gets complex if you look at real life. Some OSAS believers later fall away from the faith so they explain that as they were never really a part since they left not realizing that they are making the standard for being saved a future event. (Don’t leave=saved but leave•never saved.)
They divide going to heaven from becoming like Jesus, the latter being an optional extra and something the Holy Spirit is completely in charge of who is to change them in their sleep so their own desires suffer no loss of pleasure. (They either are changed so they want to do right or it doesn’t matter to them anyway.)
Now anyone who doesn’t believe this will face an onslaught of very unchristian adjectives. Love your enemy doesn’t apply to those who consider obeying God as a necessary part in becoming one of His.
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You are the example here of one who got personal revelation OSAS is true and have no Bible verse to back it up. I’ve asked repeatedly for WHICH VERSE God gave you and you point blank refused to answer. Even here you claim “biblically” but provide no verse. There isn’t one and I know it.
JR, just stick to you feel it’s right and leave the “biblical” claim off. No one is termed “born agains” and the actual phrase is “born from above.”
JR, just stick to you feel it’s right and leave the “biblical” claim off. No one is termed “born agains” and the actual phrase is “born from above.”
No I won’t.....God testified to my spirit that I am his child/born again....BIBLICAL........personal also biblical.....I will see the Kingdom of God...
So don’t dismiss what I say....because you never received from God what I did....
You deny that God testified to my spirit that I am his child?......you deny that scripture?
BORN AGAIN IS BIBLICAL.
This is one of the most important posts I have ever read on this forum. People make so many, many errors by not understanding how the ancient peoples, to whom the Scriptures were written, understood them. Unfortunately, it is an undeniable handicap of all translations. Added to this dilemma is the need people have to use a translation that is centuries old, written in a form of their language that has been obsolete for centuries.[/QUOTE]
I suppose the idea that the Holy Spirit speaks through the Bible to us is not a pa
Fine JR, you got a biblical testimony from “god” who used no bible verse cause there isn’t one.
I suppose the idea that the Holy Spirit speaks through the Bible to us is not a pa
Fine JR, you got a biblical testimony from “god” who used no bible verse cause there isn’t one.
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I suppose the idea that the Holy Spirit speaks through the Bible to us is not a pa
Fine JR, you got a biblical testimony from “god” who used no bible verse cause there isn’t one.[/QUOTE]
Yes there is DorothyMae.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
Now if we are children,then we are heirs— heirs of God and co- heirs with Christ,if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
I am a child of God....biblical......I had personal revelation from God...he then led me to this scripture.
So you deny this scripture do you,DorothyMae?
Did God not testify to your spirit that you were his child?
If he didn’t...then of course you would have difficulty understanding it.
But there it is above......for all to see....and it’s God’s Word!....now try and explain it away...good luck on that one!
Fine JR, you got a biblical testimony from “god” who used no bible verse cause there isn’t one.[/QUOTE]
Yes there is DorothyMae.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
Now if we are children,then we are heirs— heirs of God and co- heirs with Christ,if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
I am a child of God....biblical......I had personal revelation from God...he then led me to this scripture.
So you deny this scripture do you,DorothyMae?
Did God not testify to your spirit that you were his child?
If he didn’t...then of course you would have difficulty understanding it.
But there it is above......for all to see....and it’s God’s Word!....now try and explain it away...good luck on that one!
More scripture DorothyMae.
COLOSSIANS 2:6
So then just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord,continue to live in him,rooted and built up in him,strengthened in the faith as you were taught,and overflowing with thankfulness.
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy,which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world,rather than on Christ.
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,and you have been given fullness in Christ,who is Head over every power and authority.
Read all of the continuing of that scripture.
COLOSSIANS 2:6
So then just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord,continue to live in him,rooted and built up in him,strengthened in the faith as you were taught,and overflowing with thankfulness.
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy,which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world,rather than on Christ.
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,and you have been given fullness in Christ,who is Head over every power and authority.
Read all of the continuing of that scripture.