Not By Works

[Magenta]

John 6:37

 

[EleventhHour]

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible was compiled by James Strong—an ardent Methodist who was a staunch opponent to the doctrines of once saved always saved and who believed and taught that a man is justified (vindicated) by works and not by faith alone.

That was a mistake on his part and he missed a basic essential truth ... "faith alone" ... must be he could not let Catholicism go.

 

[dcontroversal]

That was a mistake on his part and he missed a basic essential truth ... "faith alone" ... must be he could not let Catholicism go.

Regardless, does not change the surity of eternal security and eterna justification/sanctification in Christ by grace through faith!!

 

[tantalon]

Under the New Covenant, everyone is deemed a sinner AND have come short of the glory of God, Romans 3: 23. So, no one can save themselves by having done good things, or a good person of their own making, they fall far short of the mark for God's standard for perfection. All the scripture is saying, is that ANY good works of our own, are in God's eyes filthy rags, Isaiah 64: 6. So, leaving our own righteousness behind, we come by faith ALONE to be SAVED. But AFTER salvation, we begin the journey of obedience to what is right and pleasing to the Lord, called works of righteousness. Salvation has already happened back then, when we come to Christ by faith alone, but the maturing IN that new creature is a lifetime endeavor, in which some will fall away, by leaving Christ and embracing the pleasures once again of this world. So the scripture is saying that after salvation, our works of good will PROVE our allegiance. That is what James is talking about in James 2: 17, 24, 26.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

twice now Micaiah-imia has given you a "like" for two of your posts that promote salvation by works

Liking a post is not Agreeing with a post.

 

[Sagart]

By saying that Abraham's obedience/works was an "integral part" of Abraham's faith, you are saying that his works are the "very essence" of his faith. Common error taught by works-salvationists.

No, I am NOT saying that works are the “very essence” of anyone’s faith; I am saying that works are essential to the completeness of ones faith. Indeed, “faith without works is dead.”

Believing Bibles that include the book of James does not make anyone a “works-salvationist,” it makes them Bible believing Christians—and Bible believing Christians do not rely upon name calling to defend their beliefs and opinions.

 

[mailmandan]

Liking a post is not Agreeing with a post.

So you liked his post, but you did not agree with his post? Interesting.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

So you liked his post, but you did not agree with his post? Interesting.

All the scriptures that plainly oppose your doctrine should be of interest to you. Not the words "like" and "agree".

And you should ask yourself why you have to write multiple paragraphs regarding small bible passages that, without tampering, clearly teaches contrary to Once Saved, Always Saved.

 

[mailmandan]

No, I am NOT saying that works are the “very essence” of anyone’s faith; I am saying that works are essential to the completeness of ones faith. Indeed, “faith without works is dead.”

Believing Bibles that include the book of James does not make anyone a “works-salvationist,” it makes them Bible believing Christians—and Bible believing Christians do not rely upon name calling to defend their beliefs and opinions.

Something that is an integral part of something is an essential part of that thing. Faith made complete by works doesn’t mean that works are the essence of faith and “faith without works is dead’ does not mean that faith is dead UNTIL it produces works and then it becomes a living faith, just as a tree is not dead UNTIL it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree. James simply means faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it’s dead. Says-claims to have faith, but has no works = empty profession of faith/dead faith. (James 2:14)

There are many people (particularly Roman Catholics) who use the book of James to teach that we are saved by faith AND WORKS. It’s not about name calling, but if you teach that we are saved by faith AND WORKS (at least in part) then the name “works-salvationist” is an accurate description of such a person. If the shoe fits, wear it. Bible believing Christians trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and not in works. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)

 

[Guojing]

I do not know what you mean?

How do you conclude that James knew this for sure, by the time he wrote his epistle?

By Grace through Faith alone saves, and it is the instrument of spiritual salvation.... and James knew this for sure and in no way is teaching anything different.

 

[EleventhHour]

No, I am NOT saying that works are the “very essence” of anyone’s faith; I am saying that works are essential to the completeness of ones faith. Indeed, “faith without works is dead.”

Believing Bibles that include the book of James does not make anyone a “works-salvationist,” it makes them Bible believing Christians—and Bible believing Christians do not rely upon name calling to defend their beliefs and opinions.

I think I asked this ...but in case you missed it .. how many works complete one's faith?

Because I read scripture one act of faith is required apart from any and all works.

 

[EleventhHour]

How do you conclude that James knew this for sure, by the time he wrote his epistle?

You think James was not saved when he wrote the epistle?

 

[mailmandan]

All the scriptures that plainly oppose your doctrine should be of interest to you. Not the words "like" and "agree".

And you should ask yourself why you have to write multiple paragraphs regarding small bible passages that, without tampering, clearly teaches contrary to Once Saved, Always Saved.

Scripture does not oppose my doctrine and I gave a thorough explanation of James 2:14-24 while properly harmonizing scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine.

 

[dcontroversal]

All the scriptures that plainly oppose your doctrine should be of interest to you. Not the words "like" and "agree".

And you should ask yourself why you have to write multiple paragraphs regarding small bible passages that, without tampering, clearly teaches contrary to Once Saved, Always Saved.

Blah, blah, blah....^^^ what the above post says.....listen deceiver....the bible teaches eternal security, regardless of your lock, stock and barrel regurgitation of the man you follow and the drivel you post!

 

[Guojing]

You think James was not saved when he wrote the epistle?

He was certainly saved the day the ascended Christ appeared to him privately, and he accepted Jesus as the Son of God. (John 20:31)

But I am curious how you reach the conclusion that he knew that the Law of Moses was no longer required to be kept by those Jews who believed.

Did you think the ascended Christ "must have told him that" as well?

 

[dcontroversal]

Scripture does not oppose my doctrine and I gave a thorough explanation of James 2:14-24 while properly harmonizing scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine.

All he has is a regurgitated Roman Catholic skewed JW dogma......just like denying positional sanctification, eternal justification, eternal life, saved, kept by the power of God etc.....his god is weak, ineffectual, needs help, cannot keep him saved etc......he will find out soon enough and then pay the price!

 

[Micaiah-imla]

he will find out soon enough and then pay the price!

It is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment.

He that judges me is the Lord.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of the God.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Scripture does not oppose my doctrine and I gave a thorough explanation of James 2:14-24 while properly harmonizing scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine.

Scripture contradicts Once Saved, Always Saved.

Since you are trained in OSAS, you have been taught how to defend it.

 

[VCO]

Scripture contradicts Once Saved, Always Saved.

Since you are trained in OSAS, you have been taught how to defend it.

YOU HAS BETTER LOOK AT THE LIST I SEND TO YOU, ONCE AGAIN.

OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE COUNTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN BORN AGAIN.

WE DO NOT COUNT THEM, HERE IS WHY:


1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.


John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

 

[mailmandan]

Scripture contradicts Once Saved, Always Saved.

Since you are trained in OSAS, you have been taught how to defend it.

I disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion. NOWHERE does the Bible unequivocally teach that a really “saved” person really “lost their salvation.”