Not By Works

[Lightskin]

they have NO concept of positional sanctification based entirely upon faith and being justified eternally by the blood of Christ.

As you and I have done before, I recently posted about the simplicity of Jesus Christ and one of our self-salvationists responded with a laughing face. Pretty astonishing.

 

[Lightskin]

No true conversion

You just stated one post earlier that you don’t know anyone on CC but follow that up with stating the above regarding OSAS’ers.

 

[EleventhHour]

There is no attribute that is “positional” in scripture. This teaching was invented so that fleshly “believers” could continue to “believe” the Bible in things they could not comprehend in their carnal minds; like the concept of crucifying the flesh, mortifying the seeds of the body, etc.

These are things that OSAS’ers have failed to do because they do not “reckon themselves indeed to be dead unto sin”. It’s all just “positional” to them. No true conversion; just a “positional” conversion.

Awake to righteousness, and do not sin. For some do not have the knowledge of God.

You make these outrageous claims against scripture because I know they do not fit your sinlessness achievement but scripture is clear past tense.

10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:10

Other scriptures make it clear, past, present and future.

 

[dcontroversal]

Another verse showing positional sanctification for the opposer of truth!!!

Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

 

[dcontroversal]

Another verse for the salvation loser that denies positional sanctification....

To open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those sanctified by faith in Me.’

 

[dcontroversal]

Another verse for the salvation losing self saving opposer of truth that points to positional sanctification.....Note....perfected FOREVER and PAST TENSE SANCTIFIED.....NOT in the PROCESS OF BEING SANCTIFIED....

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[Magenta]

2 Corinthians 3:18 (NIV)
And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed
into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

 

[dcontroversal]

You make these outrageous claims against scripture because I know they do not fit your sinlessness achievement but scripture is clear past tense.

10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:10

Other scriptures make it clear, past, present and future.

Another verse for the salvation loser that denies positional sanctification!

 

[Magenta]

Philippians 3:10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

This is what this “positional” speak seems to mean to OSAS: (and this is the concept that I am speaking against; because it is not correct according to the scripture.)

“Because salvation is an act of the Spirit, the believer’s new position cannot change, be lost, or be given back. We cannot ‘un-save’ ourselves, nor can we alter our position before God through any of our works or the lack thereof. We are kept in the position of beloved for the rest of our lives and throughout eternity“

This is not the “position” that you are in. You either are, or are not, in the Spirit. The proof of you being in the Spirit is how you conduct yourself in this present world. This is not a “position”, it’s who you are.

Not in a position of eternal salvation regardless of how you live.

 

[dcontroversal]

Positional sanctification --> The spirit BORN from Above ETERNALLY BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, SEALED IN Christ, justified having had the righteousness of Christ imputed by faith

Daily Sanctification of the FLESH ->the POSITIONALLY SANCTIFIED SPIRIT being FED the word of God and THE TRANSFORMATION of the MIND DIA ROMANS 12:1-2. The GREATER the transformation the greater the sanctification outwardly of the flesh

These truths are obvious and proven by scripture.....!

 

[EleventhHour]

This is what this “positional” speak seems to mean to OSAS: (and this is the concept that I am speaking against; because it is not correct according to the scripture.)

“Because salvation is an act of the Spirit, the believer’s new position cannot change, be lost, or be given back. We cannot ‘un-save’ ourselves, nor can we alter our position before God through any of our works or the lack thereof. We are kept in the position of beloved for the rest of our lives and throughout eternity“

This is not the “position” that you are in. You either are, or are not, in the Spirit. The proof of you being in the Spirit is how you conduct yourself in this present world. This is not a “position”, it’s who you are.

Not in a position of eternal salvation regardless of how you live.

This would be completely incorrect.

To put it simply salvation is not a "revolving door" the very words "saved" "justified" "redeemed" "born from above" all indicate something that is a complete. Done cannot be undone.

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Romans 8:30

 

[dcontroversal]

This is what this “positional” speak seems to mean to OSAS: (and this is the concept that I am speaking against; because it is not correct according to the scripture.)

“Because salvation is an act of the Spirit, the believer’s new position cannot change, be lost, or be given back. We cannot ‘un-save’ ourselves, nor can we alter our position before God through any of our works or the lack thereof. We are kept in the position of beloved for the rest of our lives and throughout eternity“

This is not the “position” that you are in. You either are, or are not, in the Spirit. The proof of you being in the Spirit is how you conduct yourself in this present world. This is not a “position”, it’s who you are.

Not in a position of eternal salvation regardless of how you live.

Blah blah blah deciever.....ONE IS EITHER IN CHRIST OR NOT....my bible teaches positional sanctification IN CHRIST by FAITH AND ETERNALLY GIVEN.....

The only reason you reject this truth is because it contradicts your religious persuasion and your losable dime store salvation!

 

[dcontroversal]

Philippians 3:10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Salvation is not a prize to be won or acquired by faithful service...it is a FREE GIFT given irrevocably.......so....Paul is not speaking of salvation and or positional sanctification....but rather his resurrection and entrance into the kingdom which can be grand or so as by fire (1st Corinthians 3)

 

[dcontroversal]

As you and I have done before, I recently posted about the simplicity of Jesus Christ and one of our self-salvationists responded with a laughing face. Pretty astonishing.

All of these working for, self faith sustained salvation losing Cainologists will find out one day soon.....Lord, Lord have we not done many wonderful works in your name WILL NOT BE THE WINNING TICKET......

Faith PLUS ANYTHING = A double cursed false gospel of a different kind with no power to save......!!

 

[Magenta]

Salvation is not a prize to be won or acquired by faithful service...it is a FREE GIFT given irrevocably.......so....Paul is not speaking of salvation and or positional sanctification....but rather his resurrection and entrance into the kingdom which can be grand or so as by fire (1st Corinthians 3)

Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[EleventhHour]

Salvation is not a prize to be won or acquired by faithful service...it is a FREE GIFT given irrevocably.......so....Paul is not speaking of salvation and or positional sanctification....but rather his resurrection and entrance into the kingdom which can be grand or so as by fire (1st Corinthians 3)

Amen and Amen

Salvation a free gift ... I always use that as my starting point then scripture makes all fits together perfectly!!

 

[EleventhHour]

Amen and Amen

Salvation a free gift ... I always use that as my starting point then scripture all fits together perfectly!!

Woah... obviously not that good at multi tasking...

Fixed.

 

[VCO]

Maybe you posted in the wrong thread?

No, I just thought you all may be interested in it too. I JUST discovered that info on the NAICS codes today.

 

[Sagart]

In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3). *I properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine.*



In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:



1. to render righteous or such he ought to be

2. to show, exhibit, evidence, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible was compiled by James Strong—an ardent Methodist who was a staunch opponent to the doctrines of once saved always saved and who believed and taught that a man is justified (vindicated) by works and not by faith alone. The work on his concordance, along with the Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries in the back, was completed in 1890. By the early 1900’s, the new studies in the lexicography of Koine Greek had become so great in number and significance that Erwin Preuschen published his Greek-German lexicon in 1910. Upon his death in 1920, the revision of his lexicon was entrusted to Walter Bauer and this revision was published in 1928 as the second edition. In 1930, James Hope Mouton and George Milligan independently published The Vocabulary of the Greek Testament. A thoroughly revised edition of the Preuschen lexicon was published in 1937 with only Bauer’s name on the title page. Bauer realized, however, that his lexicon, although a huge improvement over Thayer’s in terms of accuracy and completeness, needed to be thoroughly revised and updated and therefore undertook a thorough search of all Greek literature down to the Byzantine times to determine more precisely the meaning of the words found in the New Testament. This resulted in the publication of the monumental work, Griechisch-Deutsches Wörterbuch zu den Schriften des Neuen Testaments und der übrigen urchristlichen Literatur in 1949-1952. An English translation (by William F. Arndt and F. Wilbur Gingrich) of this lexicon was published by the University of Chicago in 1957 with the title, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other Early Christian Literature and became widely known as the “Bauer, Arndt, and Gingrich Lexicon.” A second edition was published by the University of Chicago in 1979. A thorough revision by Frederick William Danker was published by the University of Chicago in 2000. It is very commonly referred to simply as the “BDAG” and this name appears on the title page in parenthesis below the full title.

Strong’s usage #2 above for the Greek verb δικαιόω is found only twice in the New Testament—in Romans 3:4 and 1 Tim. 3:16. The BDAG includes all four usages for δικαιόω that are found in the New Testament and other Early Christian Literature:

1. “to take up a legal cause, show justice, do justice, take up a cause.” This usage is not found in the New Testament, but is rarely found in other early Christian literature.

2. “to render a favorable verdict, vindicate” (Strong’s #3)

3. “to cause someone to be released from personal or institutional claims that are no longer to be considered pertinent or valid, make free/pure” (Strong’s #1)

4. “to demonstrate to be morally right, prove to be right” (Strong’s #2)