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That's right.
The soil (the heart of a man) can not realize it's own potential to love righteousness (if it has that potential).
That's why the soil can not boast in what grows in it.
You'd have a hard time getting the Shepherd to not come looking for you.
That doesn't mean you'll automatically respond to his intense effort to bring you back.
I think you may have a hard time resisting that effort, but in the end, you retain your free will not to.
I think you mean, 'in his searching, he could not bring you back', right? (Because, of course, he knows where everything is.)
Like I say, I think that the saved person retains the free will to continue to trust in Christ for justification/salvation, or not to.
I'm just saying that the believer retains his free will to love, and live for, God's salvation, or not to. Though with Christ in his life it's going to be a pretty brutal fight to wrestle yourself from the love of your Father....depending on how endeared he is to begin with to the one who saved him. A believer with a weaker relationship with God is, obviously, going to experience less of a struggle with leaving God than someone who has a stronger relationship with God. And in the end, "God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden"-Romans 9:18. None of us knows where God says, 'enough is enough'.
The soil (the heart of a man) can not realize it's own potential to love righteousness (if it has that potential).
That's why the soil can not boast in what grows in it.
You'd have a hard time getting the Shepherd to not come looking for you.
That doesn't mean you'll automatically respond to his intense effort to bring you back.
I think you may have a hard time resisting that effort, but in the end, you retain your free will not to.
I think you mean, 'in his searching, he could not bring you back', right? (Because, of course, he knows where everything is.)
Like I say, I think that the saved person retains the free will to continue to trust in Christ for justification/salvation, or not to.
I'm just saying that the believer retains his free will to love, and live for, God's salvation, or not to. Though with Christ in his life it's going to be a pretty brutal fight to wrestle yourself from the love of your Father....depending on how endeared he is to begin with to the one who saved him. A believer with a weaker relationship with God is, obviously, going to experience less of a struggle with leaving God than someone who has a stronger relationship with God. And in the end, "God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden"-Romans 9:18. None of us knows where God says, 'enough is enough'.
The problem is you think that has to be 'works'.
But I'm showing you the Bible says that is NOT works.
You trusting in Christ is not 'works'.
Somewhere along the line the works gospel got defined as you doing ANYTHING to be saved. Instead of what the Bible says is the works gospel.
You have to trust in Christ to be justified. What you don't have to do is perform works of righteousness to be justified. Performing works of righteousness to be justified is what the Bible says is the works gospel. Somehow trusting in Christ got moved over to the side of works in the epic battle between the works gospel and the gospel of faith in Christ.
But I'm showing you the Bible says that is NOT works.
You trusting in Christ is not 'works'.
Somewhere along the line the works gospel got defined as you doing ANYTHING to be saved. Instead of what the Bible says is the works gospel.
You have to trust in Christ to be justified. What you don't have to do is perform works of righteousness to be justified. Performing works of righteousness to be justified is what the Bible says is the works gospel. Somehow trusting in Christ got moved over to the side of works in the epic battle between the works gospel and the gospel of faith in Christ.
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He has saved and will save every one of His children. We will be seen as sinless come judgement having not our righteousness but the righteousness of Christ.
Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
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romans 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
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Romans 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous
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2 Corinthians 5:21 - For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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I have been saved already. From a just punishment as well as the bondage of sin and appart from merit.
You however seem to reject Christ's righteousness and seek to establish your own.
1 John 5:12
"He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life."
John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God
John 10:29
"My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
All of the above pertains to salvation. No where does it speak of works; to keep or to attain.
"He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life."
John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God
John 10:29
"My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
All of the above pertains to salvation. No where does it speak of works; to keep or to attain.
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I am not saying that, he was declared righteousness in Genesis 15:6 for believing God. That verse almost every one has heard about and know how to use.
But, Genesis 17:11-14 clearly explained that God required him and all males from him to circumcise themselves. If Abraham ever declined that, he will be cut off from the covenant, as vs 14 indicated.
I am just reading the Bible there.
But, Genesis 17:11-14 clearly explained that God required him and all males from him to circumcise themselves. If Abraham ever declined that, he will be cut off from the covenant, as vs 14 indicated.
I am just reading the Bible there.
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Great post!!!
The correct understanding of the application of Faith has been lost. All due to a mistranslation of the Greek word pisteuo.
Pisteuo, was mistranslated into the English with the words believe, believer, and believing. There is no such thing in the Greek as just believing.
Pisteuo can't be translated into the English using only one word. Primarily because the English doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does. The English should have the words faithe, faither, and faithing to correctly comunícate pisteuo.
Pisteuo is defined in the Greek dictionary as" a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. "
Bottom line in regards to the " deceived believers" in here. Everything is a work except believing, for them that doesn't take any work or effort!
J
The correct understanding of the application of Faith has been lost. All due to a mistranslation of the Greek word pisteuo.
Pisteuo, was mistranslated into the English with the words believe, believer, and believing. There is no such thing in the Greek as just believing.
Pisteuo can't be translated into the English using only one word. Primarily because the English doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does. The English should have the words faithe, faither, and faithing to correctly comunícate pisteuo.
Pisteuo is defined in the Greek dictionary as" a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. "
Bottom line in regards to the " deceived believers" in here. Everything is a work except believing, for them that doesn't take any work or effort!
J
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Revelation 18:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
The fourth type of person is few compared to the Billions of Roman Catholics, Protestants and Eastern Orthodox that make up Christendom. "Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her Sins."
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
The fourth type of person is few compared to the Billions of Roman Catholics, Protestants and Eastern Orthodox that make up Christendom. "Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her Sins."
You must sell all your possessions to be True Disciple!
Here are some of our further posts about this requirement:
https://christianchat.com/threads/are-you-a-correct-believer-in-jesus-christ.188933/post-4100080
https://christianchat.com/threads/are-you-a-correct-believer-in-jesus-christ.188933/post-4102314
https://christianchat.com/threads/are-you-a-correct-believer-in-jesus-christ.188933/post-4103257
Here are some of our further posts about this requirement:
https://christianchat.com/threads/are-you-a-correct-believer-in-jesus-christ.188933/post-4100080
https://christianchat.com/threads/are-you-a-correct-believer-in-jesus-christ.188933/post-4102314
https://christianchat.com/threads/are-you-a-correct-believer-in-jesus-christ.188933/post-4103257
Otherwise he will be cut off from the covenant.
Something that we don't have to worry now, because our covenant is cut between God the Son and God the Father. That is why our situation is much better than in the OT. We are saved by Christ obedience, not ours.
I have no idea why you always feel the need to add personal comments about others. You find it difficult to just present your views without doing so?
Something that we don't have to worry now, because our covenant is cut between God the Son and God the Father. That is why our situation is much better than in the OT. We are saved by Christ obedience, not ours.
I have no idea why you always feel the need to add personal comments about others. You find it difficult to just present your views without doing so?
Jude 12 King James Version (KJV)
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
You have never Loved Elohim/God if you don't keep the Feast Days in the Law of Moses.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
You have never Loved Elohim/God if you don't keep the Feast Days in the Law of Moses.
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