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UPDATE: The Children of that Idaho Couple are still missing, and the parents are uncooperative with Authorities.
Apparently, the CULT is a spin-off of the Mormon Church, and they LITERALLY Practice the Doctrine of the Blood Atonement, which came from Brigham Young's teachings, which states, "If you must spill your brothers blood to save his immortal soul, by all means spill it!" One individual has come forward to complain that he was almost a victim of a drive by shooting, from the Cult.
Whatever its name, their end is the same, including OSAS.
 
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EleventhHour

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This is why people say OSAS = defending sin. You just said "what he stated is not false".... Disgusting.

I would like to point out: What EleventhHour stated here IS NOT the historical position of PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS the Reformed believe. [ @DoY ]
This is something NEW and WEIRD where you can sin and be ok as you just said "what he stated is not false". WOW!

Thats called ANTINOMIANISM. No good, no go. You're doing us all a DISSERVICE with this. Also you cant EVER again say that "you are twisting my words" or "we didnt say that" because you did now. THE CAT is out the bag. All the accusations were TRUE by your own admission. NOT A SMART MOVE.

I would like to highlight to everyone that this is NOT what the Reformed believe. Reformed also you could say calvinist or whatever you want to label it, im talking about the reformation, Luther, Calvin, you name the Reformer or Church that believed in eternal security in the past, NONE OF THEM believed in this type of lawless no transformation powerless Gospel.

The position they held was that: GOD Justifies a person, and then God also SANCTIFIES the person. Today the sanctification part seems to be "MAY OR MAY NOT occur" instead of WILL 100% occur cause God will do it:

Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Fruit WILL COME not MAYBE come.

Time for me to take a break from this forum. Its UNBELIEVABLE the things I read. Not only this but I had some guy defend a man CHEATING ON HIS WIFE on here today as well. RIP Christianity. This aint normal or moral, just some WEIRD stuff. I wont be on to respond to the probably RIDICILOUS replies defending the original statement (which would never be defended by any christian of times past) showing absolute disregard for God that not even many UNBELIEVERS would dare say. Have it your way, itching ears burger king. Enjoy the heresy folks! IM OUT!
And another thing I do not defend sin.... I preach Grace... obviously some think Grace is a license to sin even on the OSAS side...... thus the faulty doctrine of perseverance of the saints.

Thank you St. Augustine ... when oh when will Catholicism become extinct!!!! sigh!!!
 

NayborBear

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I’m not a soul mechanic, so I get my scheduled maintanence from Jesus🙂
He takes good care of us.

Paid in full at the same time my justification was payed for.
God forbid you should ever pick up your own cross, and go unto the Father with it!
Jesus does it ALL!
Right?

What?....Wait a minute!
I get confused!
Did Jesus PAY it ALL?
Or Jesus DOES it all?
:unsure::unsure::unsure:
BOTH?
:unsure::unsure::unsure:
 

Chris1975

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Galatians 2

16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

Make sure you read verse 16 AND 17 together, and not just 16 alone. Where then is the scope for ongoing sin?
 

Lightskin

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I hold firm to the Gospel ... and as I have told you many times .... sin was dealt with at the cross completely.

What you have is an issue with Grace... take that up with God because it is His Grace you preach against.

Our deeds so not determine our destiny ...it is our faith.... to preach Grace is NOT to sanction sin but to settle one's trust in a Saviour...

Yes that is right a SAVIOUR!!!

To avoid the truth of grace..... from fear that it may give a person the right to sin, one must by necessity teach the opposite of grace which is law.

It is either grace or law.

Paul is very clear the law does not restrain sin.
I love the name of the coward who’s giving you Red X’s. 😆
 

Melach

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I love the name of the coward who’s giving you Red X’s. 😆
should i worry that i always get things like "funny" or "happy" to my comments from that troll who make million accounts and put reactions to other people post without typing anything himself? lolz

he is either atheist troll making catholics look bad. or he is deranged catholic making catholics look bad. their clergy also make good job at it
 

Lightskin

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How is that tolerated on this Christian forum?
Good question. The funny and sad part of it all is that the person who’s doing this believes himself to be saved because he’s Catholic and all of us are doomed heretics.
 

VCO

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Welp? Seeings how you "accused" me so "nicely? And have not the ability of "recognizing" "the Church", I attend?
I'll tell ya!
If I HAVE to put a "Name" to it? And, it "appears" I do? I would "calls" it:
"The Church of the Adopted AND The First Resurrection."
Yet? It's not really so much a "Church" (although, it is), so much as a "Monastery"(more like a "Spiritual school", at the "Highest Levels" of Maturity.), AFFILIATED with (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) and TO "the Name" (HE, who SENT Jesus Christ of Nazareth), that this "Church/Priest University" has been ascribed with!
One doesn't even
have to have "accepted", nor even believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth, to be "SNATCHED!" (that comes later).
One DOES have to have done, what in "God's Eyes", is "just ONE "WORK/S" :)eek:) Attributable TOWARDS righteousness!" Much like that which "Abram" did, when he gave a tenth of ALL he had unto Melchizedek.
And, ALL Abram did, was RECOGNIZE
, and pay homage to Melchizedek! A Priest of the MOST HIGH GOD!

In "my case", however? (not gonna bore ya with me whole life's story. Most of which, I have borne witness to over the past 4 years, right here in the BDF)
I, all on my own, made up my mind, and "WALKED AWAY" from crack cocaine! COLD TURKEY! Would be the term "some" would use! The "definition" of which, precedes the term "cold turkey", for those not familiar with the term.
(has to do, more with "goose bumps", all over the skin, that is on a defeathered turkey. but because is such a "modern" term, heroin addicts use? Is a "street name" for a "frame of reference", as turkeys, are more prevalent these days, more so then geeses!)
.....so there I was, sitting in me living room, watching T.V. Minding me own business, When "all of a sudden" this "feeling of LOVE" started coming inside of me! It FELT great! At the first! "The love of Jesus!" I thought it was! And very well COULD have been. AT THE FIRST!
But, it DIDN'T STOP! It kept on coming and growing and growing in strength and intensity, til It wasn't His "love" "I" was feeling anymore! I was being "turned" inside out! Which is, if, and "when" it happens to YOU?
(and it SHALL!) Is pretty downright SCARY! Because you start getting the "live version" in "real time", of what it's like to be a "living" dead man! In one's inability of controlling one's "bodily functions" (G version!)
And, "seeing yourself" melted, and spreading out on the floor, like a thick honey being poured out!
With God, holding your heart, soul, spirit, and mind, in the "palm of His Hand", making you "bare witness" to that which is happening!
In Isaiah 28, is called "the overflowing scourge!"

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Other places in the O.T. and N.T. is called the "Great and TERRIBLE Day of the LORD!" And, some places "shortened" to just "The Day of the LORD!"

I have come to "define" this "Event" as: "Great in His LOVE!" (and) "TERRIBLE, in the REVEALINGS!"

(NOT TO WORRY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS!....IT'S COMING TO A TOWN "NEAR YOU!")
(won't have to worry about "missing" it, either! God's theater is large enough for the "crowd!" And He will "cancel" any and all "other" appointments, or excuses for one's inability to attend!)

As far as "giving evidence" of "my" being "born again of the Spirit?"

Matthew 19:29
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

So? The "evidence", and persecution, I, and others like myself receive?
As y'all can't even "recognize" a "hundredfold?"
In "these eyes" anyways, bespeaks "volumes" concerning Spiritual maturity.

This is why I constantly am testifying and baring witness, as are others, to that which God has "shown" me, and (soon to be) them?
Because traditions of man, and precepts of men, have so closed "Spiritual eyes and ears", as to that which God is still trying to say to y'all!

But? "These days", are fast coming to an end!

Btw? I do take offense, concerning what you think are my "political leanings!"

But? ENOUGH about me!

How's about YOU!!???? :unsure:

(is that the sound of chirping crickets I hear?)


Oh, and you gave me a Fantasy Church from a Movie.

Okay, Now I know there is NO DOCTRINAL STATEMENT OF THAT CHURCH that I can look up.

Which means you probably do not go to any Church.

My guess, is you are an ex-Catholic, and formed your own false theological theory, and proceed to criticize those of us, who DO GO CHURCH.

I am not ashamed of the Church that I attend. I go to a Community Church, that is a BIBLE TEACHING CHURCH, of the Evangelical Style of Teaching. I have told that to you and others several times on this Thread and other Threads, but we NOW know you only skim through our Posts, AT BEAST, and then rant with NO REAL Theological Training or even Theology from a Pulpit. You can GO NOW, because None of us will ever take serious, anything you say.

Here is why you do not understand, and think it is all FOOLISHNESS.

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
 
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EleventhHour

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How on earth does a name like that pass the moderites eyes o_O
That is not right...xox...
Feel somewhat targeted too since I am the only one who received the x's :(

I think it is the software that initially searches the names to make sure it is unique... I give JadenS some credit in that regard.

Thankfully he is booted out quickly.
 

Lightskin

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should i worry that i always get things like "funny" or "happy" to my comments from that troll who make million accounts and put reactions to other people post without typing anything himself? lolz

he is either atheist troll making catholics look bad. or he is deranged catholic making catholics look bad. their clergy also make good job at it
He’s Catholic. A lonely young dude who’s heart yearns for companionship. The lack of it has made him resentful and angry.