Not By Works

[UnderGrace]

HERE IS PROOF:

1 John 1:9 (HCSB)
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


That word CONFESS is in the Greek Present Tense, which makes it an ongoing lifestyle, to Confess each new sin.


The Present Tense
The present tense can either be continuous/ongoing or undefined. The continuous present is usually translated as "I am loosing" while the undefined is best translated as "I loosen." When the present is used with the indicative mood it denotes present time.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/help/greekverbs.cfm

I see "confess" not repent.

To confess it so agree with God

we confess ὁμολογῶμεν

(omologōmen)3670:
to speak the same,
to agree from homologos (of one mind)

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_john/1-9.htm

John is teaching against the false doctrine of the denial of sin.

 

[UnderGrace]

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours;

and their works do follow them.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

How are we to become a vessel unto honor, sanctified and MEET for the masters use, and prepared unto every good work?

By doing all our schooling now, so that when graduation day comes (the return of Christ) we will know The Word, will not be in need of being taught, so that during the Millennium, we may "approach the Lord" as opposed to those who will "approach the people".


We will rest from our LABORS, when we die. But for now we rest from the heavy yoke
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

We rest from our labours when we enter through the narrow gate.

 

[UnderGrace]

Amen! No matter how many times "Oh so are you perfect, do you keep the law 100%?" and no matter how many times Ephesians 2:8-9 is quoted it does not nullify the clear conditions laid out in the Scriptures by the Lord Jesus for salvation. This being one of them, just like the Apostle Paul said IF ye hold fast till the end, again a condition. It does not matter at all if you say true believers are the ones who forgive, or if you say you have to forgive, that is completely meaningless, what matters is that we forgive our enemies or else we are on the path to damnation and our claimed profession of belief is in vain. Words mean very little if they are not backed up by action. "Change of mind" as repentance is defined is meaningless if its not evident in our actions, that is why the Bible tells us to bring forth fruits of repentance.

We are facing a last times apostasy in which people are allowed into the kingdom in their carnal state, still addicted to their sins, still worldly, this is the strong deception that started in the 19th century and has continued on till this day. All we can do is preach the words of Jesus, if they do not convince people then just like the rich man "If they do not hear Moses and the prophets" we did all we could. Many will come to Jesus saying we did these great works but it will all be in vain because they were still workers of iniquity, never facing godly sorrow and turning from their sins, which is why Jesus tells them go away from me you who work iniquity (Iniquity meaning sin, evil, for international readers) i never knew you

I see apostasy alright ....... the apostasy that Christ's death on the cross was not sufficient to save and He is somehow limited in keeping those that are HIS.

Yes, your clear conditions (which are not biblical btw) are your goodness and your actions.
Good luck with that.

 

[BillG]

I see apostasy alright ....... the apostasy that Christ's death on the cross was not sufficient to save and He is somehow limited in keeping those that are HIS.

Yes, your clear conditions (which are not biblical btw) are your goodness and your actions.
Good luck with that.

Truly shocking the following statement made by the person you are responding to

We are facing a last times apostasy in which people are allowed into the kingdom in their carnal state, still addicted to their sins, still worldly

I thought Jesus came for such people.
If you can't come to Jesus as a sinner then we have no hope.

"Sorry you dirty sinner you are not welcome in our church, clean up your act then maybe you will be welcome"

Can't recall Jesus saying that,

I'm glad I do not go to such a church (although I wouldn't be allowed)

 

[UnderGrace]

Truly shocking the following statement made by the person you are responding to



I thought Jesus came for such people.
If you can't come to Jesus as a sinner then we have no hope.

"Sorry you dirty sinner you are not welcome in our church, clean up your act then maybe you will be welcome"

Can't recall Jesus saying that,

I'm glad I do not go to such a church (although I wouldn't be allowed)

Sadly, I think I am getting shock proof.

People are filled with recrimination, blaming those who hold to the true Gospel, for all the problems in the buildings (churches) .....they do not even understand basic biblical concepts. Sad indeed

 

[TooFastTurtle]

I see apostasy alright ....... the apostasy that Christ's death on the cross was not sufficient to save and He is somehow limited in keeping those that are HIS.

Yes, your clear conditions (which are not biblical btw) are your goodness and your actions.
Good luck with that.

They are biblical conditions. I was responding to a post that quoted those. If you dont forgive others, God wont forgive you thats what it says. If ye continue is also in the Bible, in many places including but not limited to

Colossians 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

 

[VCO]

I see "confess" not repent.

To confess it so agree with God

we confess ὁμολογῶμεν

(omologōmen)3670:
to speak the same,
to agree from homologos (of one mind)

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_john/1-9.htm

John is teaching against the false doctrine of the denial of sin.

THE TWO GO HAND IN HAND. You do not have one without the other.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Truly shocking the following statement made by the person you are responding to



I thought Jesus came for such people.
If you can't come to Jesus as a sinner then we have no hope.

"Sorry you dirty sinner you are not welcome in our church, clean up your act then maybe you will be welcome"

Can't recall Jesus saying that,

I'm glad I do not go to such a church (although I wouldn't be allowed)

If sinners can‘T get to heaven. There is no hope. We are all lost.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I see "confess" not repent.

To confess it so agree with God

we confess ὁμολογῶμεν

(omologōmen)3670:
to speak the same,
to agree from homologos (of one mind)

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_john/1-9.htm

John is teaching against the false doctrine of the denial of sin.

I would say e have to repent before we will agree..

repent is required for salvation. Until we agree with God si is sin, we will never confess it.

 

[UnderGrace]

I would say e have to repent before we will agree..

repent is required for salvation. Until we agree with God si is sin, we will never confess it.

Definitely there needs to be a change of mind, being persuaded, conviction, not really sure about the rest of what you are stating.

Well, I am not so sure of this ongoing sin confession almost like a ritual.... I think John is sometimes misunderstood.

Sin confession is always from the standpoint that all sins are forgiven past, present and future.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think we confess to benefit self. It brings healing

 

[UnderGrace]

I think we confess to benefit self. It brings healing

I confess the righteousness of Christ within me... that brings me healing

 

[CherieR]

I think we confess to benefit self. It brings healing

I believe that is true but it depends on how one confesses. I know from experience how being very scrupulous about confessing sin is not good for you. Keep balance in mind. Also see Ecclesiastes 7:16-18.

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen! No matter how many times "Oh so are you perfect, do you keep the law 100%?" and no matter how many times Ephesians 2:8-9 is quoted it does not nullify the clear conditions laid out in the Scriptures by the Lord Jesus for salvation. This being one of them, just like the Apostle Paul said IF ye hold fast till the end, again a condition. It does not matter at all if you say true believers are the ones who forgive, or if you say you have to forgive, that is completely meaningless, what matters is that we forgive our enemies or else we are on the path to damnation and our claimed profession of belief is in vain. Words mean very little if they are not backed up by action. "Change of mind" as repentance is defined is meaningless if its not evident in our actions, that is why the Bible tells us to bring forth fruits of repentance.

We are facing a last times apostasy in which people are allowed into the kingdom in their carnal state, still addicted to their sins, still worldly, this is the strong deception that started in the 19th century and has continued on till this day. All we can do is preach the words of Jesus, if they do not convince people then just like the rich man "If they do not hear Moses and the prophets" we did all we could. Many will come to Jesus saying we did these great works but it will all be in vain because they were still workers of iniquity, never facing godly sorrow and turning from their sins, which is why Jesus tells them go away from me you who work iniquity (Iniquity meaning sin, evil, for international readers) i never knew you

My bible is clear Believe in the Son = Eternal life......maybe you missed the factual truth that Jesus was born, lived and died UNDER THE LAW which ratified the new COVENANT and his words MUST be viewed in this light....but go ahead.....keep thinking you keep the law, help earn salvation and more than faith saves......10 to 1 that gospel equals snap, crackle and pop!

 

[dcontroversal]

Truly shocking the following statement made by the person you are responding to



I thought Jesus came for such people.
If you can't come to Jesus as a sinner then we have no hope.

"Sorry you dirty sinner you are not welcome in our church, clean up your act then maybe you will be welcome"

Can't recall Jesus saying that,

I'm glad I do not go to such a church (although I wouldn't be allowed)

The same self righteous anti-Jesus attitude the Pharisees had......

 

[VCO]

We rest from our labours when we enter through the narrow gate.

IT IS ONLY A LABOR, when IT IS NOT DONE BECAUSE SOLELY BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM, AND GOD GIVEN LOVE IS THE NARROW GATE:


Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
3 For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden, {When it is done because you LOVE HIM.}

John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.

 

[DeighAnn]

HERE IS PROOF:

1 John 1:9 (HCSB)
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


That word CONFESS is in the Greek Present Tense, which makes it an ongoing lifestyle, to Confess each new sin.


The Present Tense
The present tense can either be continuous/ongoing or undefined. The continuous present is usually translated as "I am loosing" while the undefined is best translated as "I loosen." When the present is used with the indicative mood it denotes present time.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/help/greekverbs.cfm

Is that hard to do or understand or learn? Could you take verses put together to see if they all "get along"? I would like to check out a few "was" verses, but even reading what you wrote makes my head spin.

 

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So cute!!!

 

[UnderGrace]

IT IS ONLY A LABOR, when IT IS NOT DONE BECAUSE SOLELY BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM, AND GOD GIVEN LOVE IS THE NARROW GATE:


Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
3 For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden, {When it is done because you LOVE HIM.}

John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.

I have no idea how one purifies one's own motives, sounds very Catholic to me...... like personal piety, I myself trust and yield (albeit imperfectly) to my new nature that Jesus.