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Ruby123

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i love stacey dooley. she does documentaries about many topics. i recently watched the one about northern ireland. nice lady and good documentaries. very impartial for a documentary maker
I like Louis Theroux, he also does documentaries and he has gift of getting people to open up without judging. Have you heard of him?
 

Melach

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I like Louis Theroux, he also does documentaries and he has gift of getting people to open up without judging. Have you heard of him?
yes i have. watched many of his documentaries as well. ross kemp too. british people are great documentary makers. they have that documentary narrator accent
 
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Ruby123

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yes i have. watched many of his documentaries as well. ross kemp too. british people are great documentary makers. they have that documentary narrator accent
Yeah I like Ross Kemp too esp when he goes into the different countries and shows the problems they are going through.
 
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UnderGrace

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Everyone keeps saying they can't but no one can tell me one they cant. Love God with all of you?? not wittle out litte graven images?? don't take His name in vain?? Love mom and dad?? don't kill, lie steal covet??? or is it the taking a day of rest that just can't be managed??? I just don't get how these are so impossible that you can't make it an hour, a day or a week or two.


AND WHEN YOU CAN'T, God knows you can't, hasn't everyone heard how to have that sin forgiven??? Can He have made it ANY EASIER than "repent" ask forgiveness, be washed clean, have that sin blotted out, and go and sin no more. BUT He knows we will, BUT there is that solution right there, the same and after a few of those "Poof, one day you realize, I quit doing that" and you realize you don't want to and you walk a little more holy than you did before, and this world has a little less of a grasp on you.

I don't think it could have been made ANY easier that God made it to walk perfectly before HIM. REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN, WASHED CLEAN and go and sin no more. How is this not just the natural way of a CHRistian? He PAID dearly to make this available to us His yoke is light.

We love God because He fist loved us.

It is His love that is shed abroad in our hearts.

"walking in Him" is not about salvation

Our repentance is once.
 

Hevosmies

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We love God because He fist loved us.

It is His love that is shed abroad in our hearts.

"walking in Him" is not about salvation

Our repentance is once.
I liked the comment but I think repentance is a lifestyle. God transforming us, more and more to the image of Christ
 
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UnderGrace

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I liked the comment but I think repentance is a lifestyle. God transforming us, more and more to the image of Christ
Once for spiritual salvation

Repent in scripture is "metanoia" ... which means a change of mind ... a change of the mind away form works of the law towards Christ in its biblical application
 

DeighAnn

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We love God because He fist loved us.

It is His love that is shed abroad in our hearts.

"walking in Him" is not about salvation

Our repentance is once.
I wish I to could have completely changed my inner man in one fell swoop, but mine has been an ongoing journey or more of a process of becoming. I did not have an all "inner man changing" mans experience. Does that make Gods Grace different for me than for you?? I say God works as God works and I will not judge Him. If I acknowledge my sin but don't repent, I do not move forward from where I was. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Matthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Matthew 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you
Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Yes, I am more a daily person.
 

DeighAnn

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"walking in Him" is not about salvation
Whether the thief on the cross or the life long Christian the gift of salvation is the exact same to all. On the right side of the gulf or the other side. Saved. Name in the book of life.
Only thing that really separates us at that point would be the only thing we take with us.
 
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UnderGrace

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Whether the thief on the cross or the life long Christian the gift of salvation is the exact same to all. On the right side of the gulf or the other side. Saved. Name in the book of life.
Complete agree

Only thing that really separates us at that point would be the only thing we take with us.
Not sure what you mean here...
 

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Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Amen! No matter how many times "Oh so are you perfect, do you keep the law 100%?" and no matter how many times Ephesians 2:8-9 is quoted it does not nullify the clear conditions laid out in the Scriptures by the Lord Jesus for salvation. This being one of them, just like the Apostle Paul said IF ye hold fast till the end, again a condition. It does not matter at all if you say true believers are the ones who forgive, or if you say you have to forgive, that is completely meaningless, what matters is that we forgive our enemies or else we are on the path to damnation and our claimed profession of belief is in vain. Words mean very little if they are not backed up by action. "Change of mind" as repentance is defined is meaningless if its not evident in our actions, that is why the Bible tells us to bring forth fruits of repentance.

We are facing a last times apostasy in which people are allowed into the kingdom in their carnal state, still addicted to their sins, still worldly, this is the strong deception that started in the 19th century and has continued on till this day. All we can do is preach the words of Jesus, if they do not convince people then just like the rich man "If they do not hear Moses and the prophets" we did all we could. Many will come to Jesus saying we did these great works but it will all be in vain because they were still workers of iniquity, never facing godly sorrow and turning from their sins, which is why Jesus tells them go away from me you who work iniquity (Iniquity meaning sin, evil, for international readers) i never knew you
 

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Complete agree



Not sure what you mean here...
at times, I'm not sure she knows what she means. all over the place.

but, when you have a very wrong foundational belief, ( the Law is divided), then one's beliefs will be off base all the way through...
 

VCO

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Whether the thief on the cross or the life long Christian the gift of salvation is the exact same to all. On the right side of the gulf or the other side. Saved. Name in the book of life.
Only thing that really separates us at that point would be the only thing we take with us.

FOOD TO THINK ABOUT.

Because the Thief were Bapized (IMMERSED), ALONG WITH EVERY BELIEVER, into the spiritual BODY of CHRIST, the moment we truly BELIEVED IN CHRIST.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

That is the Spiritual BAPTISM THAT SAVES! Christain Water Baptism is important as one of the first steps of being publically identified with CHRIST, but it is not the BAPTISM that SAVES. It is Spiritual Baptism into the BODY of CHRIST Spiritually, THAT SAVES.
 

DeighAnn

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Complete agree



Not sure what you mean here...

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours;

and their works do follow them.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

How are we to become a vessel unto honor, sanctified and MEET for the masters use, and prepared unto every good work?

By doing all our schooling now, so that when graduation day comes (the return of Christ) we will know The Word, will not be in need of being taught, so that during the Millennium, we may "approach the Lord" as opposed to those who will "approach the people".


We will rest from our LABORS, when we die. But for now we rest from the heavy yoke
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

DeighAnn

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FOOD TO THINK ABOUT.

Because the Thief were Bapized (IMMERSED), ALONG WITH EVERY BELIEVER, into the spiritual BODY of CHRIST, the moment we truly BELIEVED IN CHRIST.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

That is the Spiritual BAPTISM THAT SAVES! Christain Water Baptism is important as one of the first steps of being publically identified with CHRIST, but it is not the BAPTISM that SAVES. It is Spiritual Baptism into the BODY of CHRIST Spiritually, THAT SAVES.
This saves, right? Does it take even one more thing to be saved?
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
 

DeighAnn

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Yes I agree totally with you.

I noticed you rarely respond and only give likes to those you agree with.
Giving likes I understand but rarely responding????
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:mad:
What? I can't have one? :cry:







:poop:
 

VCO

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We love God because He fist loved us.

It is His love that is shed abroad in our hearts.

"walking in Him" is not about salvation

Our repentance is once.

It should be an ONGOING Nature of our New Born Again Human Spirit, to repent of every NEW sin we identify in our Character.
 

VCO

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This saves, right? Does it take even one more thing to be saved?
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

NO, HE DID IT ALL. Climbing into a Baptistery is an ACT OF LOVE after we WERE SAVED.

WHEN WAS OUR SALVATION COMPLETE ? ? ?

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
 

VCO

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UnderGrace said:
We love God because He fist loved us.

It is His love that is shed abroad in our hearts.

"walking in Him" is not about salvation

Our repentance is once.

It should be an ONGOING Nature of our New Born Again Human Spirit, to repent of every NEW sin we identify in our Character.

HERE IS PROOF:

1 John 1:9 (HCSB)
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


That word CONFESS is in the Greek Present Tense, which makes it an ongoing lifestyle, to Confess each new sin.


The Present Tense
The present tense can either be continuous/ongoing or undefined. The continuous present is usually translated as "I am loosing" while the undefined is best translated as "I loosen." When the present is used with the indicative mood it denotes present time.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/help/greekverbs.cfm