Not By Works
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What @dcontroversal stated.....
What you stated...
NOW you show me where @dcontroversal mentions "loving obedience" in that statement
I am just using this as one example, there are more with other people I am sure.
We could go on like this forever and I know there is no point ...but sometimes I just help myself because you are definitely adding to what he wrote.
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Like I said, WORKS FOLLOW SALVATION
Did you happen to miss that? The crux of the entire post?
Justified by faith ALONE, works follow out of love and gratitude
Just like fire produces smoke
Your post is a textbook example of what GB9 calls being proved wrong. You say exactly what I said, and then accuse me of not saying it.
Did you happen to miss that? The crux of the entire post?
Justified by faith ALONE, works follow out of love and gratitude
Just like fire produces smoke
Your post is a textbook example of what GB9 calls being proved wrong. You say exactly what I said, and then accuse me of not saying it.
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And still you persist...
Where is "loving obedience" mentioned in his post.......those are you words correct.... so why do you attribute them to @dcontroversal
I really do not know how to be more clear.
Someone remind me not to stay home sick tomorrow.
Where is "loving obedience" mentioned in his post.......those are you words correct.... so why do you attribute them to @dcontroversal
I really do not know how to be more clear.
Someone remind me not to stay home sick tomorrow.
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And still you persist...
Where is "loving obedience" mentioned in his post.......those are you words correct.... so why do you attribute them to @dcontroversal
I really do not know how to be more clear.
Someone remind me not to stay home sick tomorrow.
Where is "loving obedience" mentioned in his post.......those are you words correct.... so why do you attribute them to @dcontroversal
I really do not know how to be more clear.
Someone remind me not to stay home sick tomorrow.
You guys are the ones who are impossible to engage
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Listen Mac
This is what @dcontroversal stated.... I forgot to get the link
I agree with him completely!!
The thing is this he keeps it simple and you are trying to complicate by adding in that works will by necessity follow.
And if I am understanding him correctly he is stating that at the moment of salvation...NO WORKS... works or no works saved, because saved is saved and is not connected to works.
This is what @dcontroversal stated.... I forgot to get the link
I agree with him completely!!
The thing is this he keeps it simple and you are trying to complicate by adding in that works will by necessity follow.
And if I am understanding him correctly he is stating that at the moment of salvation...NO WORKS... works or no works saved, because saved is saved and is not connected to works.
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I said the same thing. At the point of faith, justification. No works necessary
I have said this repeatedly
So we agree that at the point of salvation, no works required. Can you acknowledge that I have affirmed this so we can move on to the next point? Or do I have to provide a dozen posts where I said saved by grace through faith without works?
I have said this repeatedly
So we agree that at the point of salvation, no works required. Can you acknowledge that I have affirmed this so we can move on to the next point? Or do I have to provide a dozen posts where I said saved by grace through faith without works?
Ok. What We have just established is no works necessary to be saved. None whatsoever. No works can maintain our salvation either. That’s God’s part
Would you say that now that you are saved, and you are one of His sheep, and no one can snatch you out of His Hand, you are safe in Christ and have eternal life.
Now read Titus 2:11-14 very thoughtfully and prayerfully.
Do you think we should teach that What this passage teaches as Christ’s intention for us is unnecessary? That He provides it as optional?
Not necessary to save? Agreed. Doesnt maintain salvation. Agreed. That is a done deal. But are we to teach that God’s intention for us as stated in Titus 2:11-14 should be presented as “well, that’s a good thing, but since works don’t save us, it’s not really necessary. It’s entirely optional
Is that faithfully teaching Gods word?
Oh by the way. Now read Titus 2:15 and tell me if I have been obeying that verse or disobeying it?
Would you say that now that you are saved, and you are one of His sheep, and no one can snatch you out of His Hand, you are safe in Christ and have eternal life.
Now read Titus 2:11-14 very thoughtfully and prayerfully.
Do you think we should teach that What this passage teaches as Christ’s intention for us is unnecessary? That He provides it as optional?
Not necessary to save? Agreed. Doesnt maintain salvation. Agreed. That is a done deal. But are we to teach that God’s intention for us as stated in Titus 2:11-14 should be presented as “well, that’s a good thing, but since works don’t save us, it’s not really necessary. It’s entirely optional
Is that faithfully teaching Gods word?
Oh by the way. Now read Titus 2:15 and tell me if I have been obeying that verse or disobeying it?