Not By Works

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John 15:5-14, " 5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples. 9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love. 11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command you.
Good description of what Jesus intends for and accomplishes in REGENERATE people
 

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Well, the essence of what I’m saying is precisely that. Regeneration is a work that only God can do. Cannot be accomplished by anything we do

So what’s false about that?
I know your sentiments; it’s all you talk about. I prefer to rejoice in the saving grace afford to everyone who has faith in Jesus Christ.
 
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I know your sentiments; it’s all you talk about. I prefer to rejoice in the saving grace afford to everyone who has faith in Jesus Christ.
How does regeneration and preservation take anything away from Gods grace? Or the simplicity of the Gospel?
 
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We are not born of bloods(descent) , nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD

Notice it says not of the will of the flesh. If you were saved by faith alone, you would have to somehow muster up belief from your flesh to save you. No we are not born of the will of the flesh. We are born of God

All these peddlers of man based salvation around here
 
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Listen Buddy, my Bible says saved by grace through faith, not saved by faith alone. You even said saved before God laid down the earth. Were you believing when He did that, or are you contradicting yourself now?
Try again...and this time pay attention to the truth instead of your religion! And make no mistake...I am no where near being your buddy!!
 
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I know your sentiments; it’s all you talk about. I prefer to rejoice in the saving grace afford to everyone who has faith in Jesus Christ.
My bible is clear....faith is what saves because of Grace.....his burger king theology notwithstanding...!
 
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We are not born of bloods(descent) , nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD

Notice it says not of the will of the flesh. If you were saved by faith alone, you would have to somehow muster up belief from your flesh to save you. No we are not born of the will of the flesh. We are born of God

All these peddlers of man based salvation around here
The above is pure ignorance.....and not only that but proves you are not very honest....

If I had a dime for every time I have said Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us and is the source of the faith that saves....

You prove by this post that you are dishonest and divisive at best!

Do not ever adress me again until you can be honest with all that I have said......ever!
 

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Amen.....notice what the word keep means and yet they equate it to a working for salvation....

téreó: to watch over, to guard
Original Word: τηρέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: téreó
Phonetic Spelling: (tay-reh'-o)
Definition: to watch over, to guard
wow wow wow

i never knew thats what the word keep means. to me keep means obey them. like how i tell you to change car tyre you say ok i do it. then i ask you did you keep my commands and you say yes.

thats amazing i will show that to someone else. why dont the translators put it like that?
 
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wow wow wow

i never knew thats what the word keep means. to me keep means obey them. like how i tell you to change car tyre you say ok i do it. then i ask you did you keep my commands and you say yes.

thats amazing i will show that to someone else. why dont the translators put it like that?
Because the anglican translators believed in a working for half Catholic dogma......
 

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Because the anglican translators believed in a working for half Catholic dogma......
i think you should gather some people and make new bible translation. u need to pray about it

maybe God wants it if you know enough greek to do it.
 
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i think you should gather some people and make new bible translation. u need to pray about it

maybe God wants it if you know enough greek to do it.
Exactly why I study every word from the Greek one Hebrew.....one Psalm has 3 different Hebrew words translated as the same thing....same is true of the N.T.....numerous places where the word has been skewed, mistranslated and or transliterated......and exactly why there is so much confusion and false teaching being peddled.....! And there are better translations that are grammatically more correct......plus the English doea not convey the Greek verb tenses that are brought out by the language.
 

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I feel I am on a similar path, as I was called to read all about Isaiah, amongst other scripture. There is also one strict condition I have put on me which sometimes I disobey. Did you ever get second looks from total strangers, or people would sit and talk to you and tell there life stories? I have also had others move away when I am at the mall etc. All I am doing is eating my McDonalds for goodness sake. This has been happening to me since late Primary school.

That is called when Kindred spirits are close, they will attract; and when somebody, has the OPPOSING spirit, they run away, or at least move away. It is a phenomena unique to Born Again Believers. Decades ago, before we moved to California. We heard on the radio, the Nebraska Mental Hospital wanted donated clothes. So wife clean out the closets, sorting the ones she wanted to keep, and putting the ones she wanted to donate in a box. She ended up with two large boxes, and we got the, I took one of the large boxes of clothes, and she stay to talk to the Lady running the donations. I then went and got the second box, and as I was walking to the Clothing Room, I noticed a man walking the same direction ahead of me, and he passed a Lady, coming towards me, an she walk past him and as she got close to me, SHE SHRIEKED, an she started to yell, "NO, NO, you stay away from me, STAY AWAY FROM ME." She TURNED and literally RAN down the hallway, and it turned to the right and she was out of site. I figure She may have had a DEMON in her, and IT sensed the Holy Spirit In Me.
 

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Does anyone know what the moderators of this Chat believe? I noticed there is a thread about hyper-grace in the Bible discussion forum and the moderators are not for it.

Is there a Statement of Faith to be found somewhere?
Not that I know of. It is kinda like the Prison Ministry, I had to stay away from Denomination BARRIERS at all times. So they do not want to seem prejudice, so they do not say. It is given that they do not tolerate Psuedo-Christian Cults, like Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, and any one that does not recognize the DEITY OF CHRIST. In other words they just want to be recognized as those who are middle of the Road, Mainline Christianity. I have been here for a long time, and they are a lot less STRICT than they used to be.
 
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whats the best english translation today @dcontroversal
Well....I like the NASV, but I use different versions for different things....for example.....I study out of a Cambridge Berkshire Leather black letter King Jimmy but study all words from the Greek and Hebrew........

I also will use a NASV, Amplified as well......

And for the O.T. I really like the Tanach.........
 

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Well....I like the NASV, but I use different versions for different things....for example.....I study out of a Cambridge Berkshire Leather black letter King Jimmy but study all words from the Greek and Hebrew........

I also will use a NASV, Amplified as well......

And for the O.T. I really like the Tanach.........
Is the NASV the New American Standard Bible?