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A new morality. One has bad intentions and is deceptive sharing the saving gospel of repentance
and faith in Christ on a christian forum, where this theology is literally the theology of the church
and the body of Christ.
Deception is also to quote scripture that teaches and proclaims this same gospel.
You have to wonder what mental gymnastics and delusions you have to do to make someone
evil like this and also claim to follow Jesus.
No wonder many forums have problems knowing what to do with people like this.
In Christ we forgive, show love, and wonder what is going on, and can people caught in such
a contorted social framework ever find a way out. I do not know, but the Lord does, thankfully
I can leave it all in His hands.
and faith in Christ on a christian forum, where this theology is literally the theology of the church
and the body of Christ.
Deception is also to quote scripture that teaches and proclaims this same gospel.
You have to wonder what mental gymnastics and delusions you have to do to make someone
evil like this and also claim to follow Jesus.
No wonder many forums have problems knowing what to do with people like this.
In Christ we forgive, show love, and wonder what is going on, and can people caught in such
a contorted social framework ever find a way out. I do not know, but the Lord does, thankfully
I can leave it all in His hands.
Can't use quote function for some reason so will have copy paste the quote you responded to @UnderGrace which was.
"Please lay out the plan of salvation that you once believed and have now abandoned.... stating "OSAS" is not enough information to support the credibilty of your initial statement."
How on earth have you come the conclusion you have posted above?
You say. "It sounds like YOU never had a conviction of sin and your debt to Jesus, you just wanted salvation"
Then you say "you have changed your mind and now have salvation"
Then you say. "This does not sound like a christian conversion experience at all, or anything most believers would recognise"
Then YOU say it's not for you to judge another.
Now it seems there is judgement there.
You need to correct or clarify what you are trying to convey.
Also in the quote you responded there is nothing I can see that in any way shape or form where she has given her testimony in part.
She was asking a fellow member concerning OSAS.
IS OSAS ALL you saw and nothing else?
"Please lay out the plan of salvation that you once believed and have now abandoned.... stating "OSAS" is not enough information to support the credibilty of your initial statement."
How on earth have you come the conclusion you have posted above?
You say. "It sounds like YOU never had a conviction of sin and your debt to Jesus, you just wanted salvation"
Then you say "you have changed your mind and now have salvation"
Then you say. "This does not sound like a christian conversion experience at all, or anything most believers would recognise"
Then YOU say it's not for you to judge another.
Now it seems there is judgement there.
You need to correct or clarify what you are trying to convey.
Also in the quote you responded there is nothing I can see that in any way shape or form where she has given her testimony in part.
She was asking a fellow member concerning OSAS.
IS OSAS ALL you saw and nothing else?
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Thank you BillG you are very kind 
...... you can see how he obviously waited to make his "grand statement" that I had not really been redeemed or converted.
My doctrine is right, Romans 4:4 tells me so.
Sad that I took someone off ignore which I rarely do, once they are ignore they never come off, I shake the dust off my feet and move on (that is the Italian in me LOL).
Lesson learned.
...... you can see how he obviously waited to make his "grand statement" that I had not really been redeemed or converted.My doctrine is right, Romans 4:4 tells me so.
Sad that I took someone off ignore which I rarely do, once they are ignore they never come off, I shake the dust off my feet and move on (that is the Italian in me LOL).
Lesson learned.
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So true EG, after taking time off... it was only a very small handful of people, actually the ones that hang out on this thread that prompted me to login once again.
I do not mind the straight up front people, perhaps sometimes brash, but those that act so kind and then turn on a dime, just to show how they can one up you.... really sad indeed.
I do not mind the straight up front people, perhaps sometimes brash, but those that act so kind and then turn on a dime, just to show how they can one up you.... really sad indeed.
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Yesterday I asked UG what here testimony was.
She had stated that we are more immortally at a specific point in time, and that was important.
I said walking in faith with Jesus was the focus, not a particular point in time when you started.
She replied that I was wrong.
Over 5 posts she gave her testimony, but then missed the end point.
So I responded with the 4 spiritual laws.
The problem with this approach is coming to faith is specific to repentance, confession and trust
in the cross for the forgiveness of sins. It is what evangelists use as their introduction to faith.
So it is not unreasonable for me to describe according to this view, someone has not come to faith.
Now I realise in this forum, with this odd view of faith and coming to faith, I will be told a lot of
things. But anyway this is the summary
She had stated that we are more immortally at a specific point in time, and that was important.
I said walking in faith with Jesus was the focus, not a particular point in time when you started.
She replied that I was wrong.
Over 5 posts she gave her testimony, but then missed the end point.
So I responded with the 4 spiritual laws.
The problem with this approach is coming to faith is specific to repentance, confession and trust
in the cross for the forgiveness of sins. It is what evangelists use as their introduction to faith.
So it is not unreasonable for me to describe according to this view, someone has not come to faith.
Now I realise in this forum, with this odd view of faith and coming to faith, I will be told a lot of
things. But anyway this is the summary
I was seeking after God..... because in my rational mind I believed that if God was real, which I believed He was, He should be knowable... after all I knew Jesus had told his disciples that He would be with them always.... but Jesus did not seem to be with me.
I asked everyone I knew the meaning of life, yet no one had a satisfactory answer.
I was having the same discussion with many students, day after day, at school for hours people came and went, I skipped all my classes ... then a person lingering around the table and listening asked if he could join in, I said sure, soon as he sat down I knew he knew something I had yet to be told.
Remember Mr. FHS.... I was that person trying to be good to assure my salvation.
Still open Mr FHS?
I asked everyone I knew the meaning of life, yet no one had a satisfactory answer.
I was having the same discussion with many students, day after day, at school for hours people came and went, I skipped all my classes ... then a person lingering around the table and listening asked if he could join in, I said sure, soon as he sat down I knew he knew something I had yet to be told.
Remember Mr. FHS.... I was that person trying to be good to assure my salvation.
Still open Mr FHS?
Then quote her quotes that you are responding to rather than the one you did quote.
It had no bearing on what you responded with.
Above you have quoted her posts that you have responded to.
So to me based on the original quote you posted it looked like you were looking for an opportunity to go at her and all you saw was OSAS, now is my chance.
That to me is how it came across.
I can't answer for @UnderGrace but only myself.
Either way my point I tried to make still stands.
You said you are not here to judge but in fact you did even after you quoting the quotes you meant to respond to.
Back to post 105,806
It had no bearing on what you responded with.
Above you have quoted her posts that you have responded to.
So to me based on the original quote you posted it looked like you were looking for an opportunity to go at her and all you saw was OSAS, now is my chance.
That to me is how it came across.
I can't answer for @UnderGrace but only myself.
Either way my point I tried to make still stands.
You said you are not here to judge but in fact you did even after you quoting the quotes you meant to respond to.
Back to post 105,806
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There is a simple problem, if you come to chastise and put straight other in regard to their
eternal destination, the foundation of their faith, and their experience in Christ, expect to be challenged.
This is not a beat people up, and expect them to roll over and die situation.
Gods word is
12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double--edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Heb 4
In Christ we have our foundation through the cross.
Everyone can find rest here, Amen.
eternal destination, the foundation of their faith, and their experience in Christ, expect to be challenged.
This is not a beat people up, and expect them to roll over and die situation.
Gods word is
12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double--edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Heb 4
In Christ we have our foundation through the cross.
Everyone can find rest here, Amen.
That may be true.
But we must not judge and assume what we think based on our theological bent another person's walk with Jesus.
The main point is OUR WALK WITH JESUS.
Why?
Because we love him and want to be like him and honour our Father.
The Father who we can come before as a result of faith in Jesus.
But we must not judge and assume what we think based on our theological bent another person's walk with Jesus.
The main point is OUR WALK WITH JESUS.
Why?
Because we love him and want to be like him and honour our Father.
The Father who we can come before as a result of faith in Jesus.
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Salvation is a free gift and salvation is not discipleship.
To be saved we must be born from above
There are no wages due to God for salvation..................that is grace
Obviously some people have yet to understand Grace and what a gift is.
Romans 5:15-18:
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
To be saved we must be born from above
There are no wages due to God for salvation..................that is grace
Obviously some people have yet to understand Grace and what a gift is.
Romans 5:15-18:
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
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While I do not disagree with you
that is the starting point is we need to be "born from above" otherwise there is no walk with Jesus.
And much like @dCon I make no apologies for promoting Grace which is gift apart from works and is not given based upon our promise of discipleship but is given based upon our belief (the type taught in scripture) in the work of Christ Jesus.
Salvation is not a reward for good works end of story!!
I fully understand Paul now and his frustrations seen in his letters, that some would be so bold and arrogant as to put God in their debt.
that is the starting point is we need to be "born from above" otherwise there is no walk with Jesus.
And much like @dCon I make no apologies for promoting Grace which is gift apart from works and is not given based upon our promise of discipleship but is given based upon our belief (the type taught in scripture) in the work of Christ Jesus.
Salvation is not a reward for good works end of story!!
I fully understand Paul now and his frustrations seen in his letters, that some would be so bold and arrogant as to put God in their debt.
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While I do not disagree with you
that is the starting point is we need to be "born from above" otherwise there is no walk with Jesus.
And much like @dCon I make no apologies for promoting Grace which is gift apart from works and is not given based upon our promise of discipleship but is given based upon our belief (the type taught in scripture) in the work of Christ Jesus.
Salvation is not a reward for good works end of story!!
I fully understand Paul now and his frustrations seen in his letters, that some would be so bold and arrogant as to put God in their debt.
that is the starting point is we need to be "born from above" otherwise there is no walk with Jesus.
And much like @dCon I make no apologies for promoting Grace which is gift apart from works and is not given based upon our promise of discipleship but is given based upon our belief (the type taught in scripture) in the work of Christ Jesus.
Salvation is not a reward for good works end of story!!
I fully understand Paul now and his frustrations seen in his letters, that some would be so bold and arrogant as to put God in their debt.
I totally agree with you.
Unless we are born from above there is no walk with Jesus
Because works are useless because we do not know him
It's faith that saves.
But we are called to disciple.
I will never detract from saved by grace through faith.
Grace is free to us but it cost Jesus.
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