Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

It was the doctrine that was being labeled not the person.

Thank you

Our fight is not with flesh and blood but with principalities and powers.

 

[blue_ladybug]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You’re so much at peace in Christ that you feel the need to put people on ignore so as not to be challenged regarding your heretical views. Why am I even posting this? You have me on ignore. 😆

I am sure your not the only one

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I do....

I can say this salvation is eternally secure because of Whom (Jesus) we have believed in....

He does not make us unborn again,
nor does He unseal us,
nor does He take away our justified status,
nor does He uncleanse us,
nor does He disown us,
nor does He toss us in the Lake of Fire,
nor does He make us an old creation
nor does He make us unrighteous........

Preach the Truth and then you shall truly be Free in Him

Hi UnderGrace,

I love you dear friend, but I do wonder if you have understood unbelief and arrogance.
Paul faced the kind of attitude you are expressing, I am in Christ so nothing can touch me.

19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in."
20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith.
Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell,
but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
Rom 11

Jesus is wonderful in His love, in His sacrifice, in His gift.
But the cost is our lives, dead to the world and alive to Him.

If you believe you are clean, purified, made Holy, walking in love, grace and peace, Amen, Praise
the Lord.

But many in your group do not believe they are clean, purified or holy, rather they are sinners
sinning daily without resolution or progress in Him.

I would question do they know Jesus at all. They complain to walk in love in everything we do
to God and to love our neighbour as ourself is too great a burden.

And then this salvation they claim to have, if they were to deny it all and become the worst
satanist on the planet, God would still say you are my child, enter my rest.

They would be broken off and thrown away on the fire as Jesus described.
But in Christ and in His love we have eternal security and a real home, knowing His Spirit
flowing through us, sealing us in the gospel and His salvation.

So I pray this is truly your experience, and you hope, God bless you.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

You’re so much at peace in Christ that you feel the need to put people on ignore so as not to be challenged regarding your heretical views. Why am I even posting this? You have me on ignore. 😆

Hi smooth,

Heretical views? Which views are these and what is the heresy?
Is this the soldiers approach of enemy, destroy, dominate? And the reason why or how or
damage done does not register?

A thug swings a club at anything, not knowing what they are hitting, but this just reflects
on the thug, nothing more.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I see nothing funny here.

I have to laugh. Laughter is at the absurdity of people taking themselves too seriously.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

...peeves me right off

Got to admire you and your justification for being annoyed.
I have been called .........

Personally I want you around, because you represent something that is profound and a problem.
Faith but no pure, holy, righteous walk reality.

This is something all churches, all believers have to face. How do we become like Jesus?
And it is this we need you to continually remind us of, and God will not let us go on this subject.

And I need to change, I need to see, I need to know the next step and how we can bring the church
forward to what Paul aspired us all to aim at

14 Do everything without complaining or arguing,
15 so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a
crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe
16 as you hold out the word of life--in order that I may boast on the day of Christ
that I did not run or labor for nothing.
Phil 2

We have serious reality and spiritual issues, and questions about how we love minorities, respond
to bias in our society and sexual bias in society which is being addressed yet the church has little
response to in love.

If we cannot even agree how to address evil behaviour and sin, how can we even claim to have
a valid voice worthy of being listened to by non-believers.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Why can't the person address the poster with scripture rather than calling them Satanic?

Because if you respond with scripture you create a real discussion, call it satanic, you teach people
mention this and you will be labelled evil. It is a kind of intimidation and bullying, and it does work.
You want to belong to this group, agree or get thrown out. All cults us this kind of mind manipulation.

And this group cannot even admit the alternative view on scripture and Christ.
Just take the emotional view of Christ does everything, and to suggest we do anything is blasphemy.

Such simplicity becomes mind numbing.
But it is effective. So this verse for them is actually heresy

9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.
2 Cor 12

24 Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.
Colossians 1

22 You see that his faith was working together with his works and his faith was perfected by works.
James 2

25 I became a servant of the church according to the stewardship from God – given to me for you – in order to complete the word of God,
Colossians 1

We are part of Gods work, the cross is the door and the way of atonement, but we are to share
preach, and walk the path to fulfil its promise. Without this there is no eternal life.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I can deal with heat for my stance and what I dish out....but targeting my two lost children to disease, my handicapped son and calling me the following names is way out of bounds....

You remind me of others, OH,who were they😏 I remember! Nazis,communist,liberals,,pharisees,witch burners, ect.ect.

Hi dc,

This does sound a terrible list of things that you have suffered, and I am sorry for your hurt.
Over the past months, I have not seen any of these things mentioned.

So why are you mentioning this now? Is this a way of balancing your behaviour towards others
because of other individuals in the past have hurt you in these ways?

I suspect there is some need to be defensive here, which suggests an actual admittance of
behaviour that is not good. Who would have guessed? Not literally everyone who reads
the "Not by works" thread. If one was timid, boom, do not take on this dude ....

 

[Leastamongmany]

You really have to laugh at them it undermines their inflated egos,they can't stand it! Also ignore makes the forums easier to read without all the name calling and guff they spew! If ppl choose to not walk after Jesus as He says,it on them and you are right FHS,makes us press forward more!

 

[Leastamongmany]

Hi dc,

This does sound a terrible list of things that you have suffered, and I am sorry for your hurt.
Over the past months, I have not seen any of these things mentioned.

So why are you mentioning this now? Is this a way of balancing your behaviour towards others
because of other individuals in the past have hurt you in these ways?

I suspect there is some need to be defensive here, which suggests an actual admittance of
behaviour that is not good. Who would have guessed? Not literally everyone who reads
the "Not by works" thread. If one was timid, boom, do not take on this dude ....

I seriously doubt there is any truth to all those things! IMO,more bluster!

 

[OneOfHis]

IMO it is based on fear and distrust. Some folks simply fail to grasp the fact that God is all-loving and completely trust worthy.

...This was me but I could not see it....
(fear and torment.... trust in the wrong things)


I studied many hours everyday, I can honestly say for years sometimes more than 5 days a week I spent upwards of 12 hours a day in the holy scriptures....


Cover to cover sometimes, prayer for lessons others.....

I saw Jesus not as my finality for salvation... not as my only hope to enter the kingdom of heaven...

but as the starting point....

"first i must believe... then i must be a good and faithful servant.. then i must remain as righteous as possible ... i must put more time into worship than work or play or sleep.... i must be baptized in water and love God more than anything.... i must forgive every offense and beg for forgiveness and deliverance from fleeting temptations i must hold every individual thought captive....but if i sin and do not have time to ask for forgiveness... what will become of me?.... will there be iniquity found in me? .... no i must not doubt... i must be strong...."

I saw Gods hatred for sin

and much like these confused, blind and lost folk

defined my status with God by my current walk

in other words... placed my assurance in myself....

not at all what God wants for His children

He is clear

and I am grateful for the deliverance from not only actions and thoughts that would convict my new God given heart

but deliverance from the false idea that He could lose even one of His own


...

praise God



this thread has turned into a war zone for some

but to me

i still see it as a place that points to Jesus for salvation

and not to works


Jesus is not just a prerequisite

 

[Noose]

Why is it overly emotional for someone in your view that get's bullied and called Satanic because they do not agree with what someone is posting? This is a Christian forum right? Or am I in the wrong place. I feel like I am in the twilight zone today after reading some things that have been posted here. Nothing personal to anyone. I have come to make friends but many of you do not sound so friendly to each other.

Don't you have a clue? People here have enrolled and are 'fighting against the forces of darkness', defending the 'truth' aka OSAS and anyone who doesn't have OSAS in their lips is an 'agent of satan'.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I can deal with heat for my stance and what I dish out....but targeting my two lost children to disease, my handicapped son and calling me the following names is way out of bounds....

You remind me of others, OH,who were they😏 I remember! Nazis,communist,liberals,,pharisees,witch burners, ect.ect.

Hi dc,

I want to take on board something in this post that is very serious.

Are you saying someone has actually targeted your two lost children and your handicapped son here
on this thread or somewhere in this forum?
I would be concerned if this behaviour ever took place, and would hope it was put right.
It is a serious tragedy what you have touched on, and I mourn for your loss, and pain involved.

God bless you, and I pray the Lord heal you of these tragic circumstances, Amen

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I seriously doubt there is any truth to all those things! IMO,more bluster!

Dear sister,

When someone is this skilled at winding people up, you can be sure some would attempt revenge
by hitting where it hurts. I have seen people truly hurt on the internet and go hunting others.
It is not a pretty sight. You do not get this skilled without incidents like this cropping up.

I intervene and attempt to shine a light on what people are doing emotionally and spiritually.
Look how I am treated just bringing peace and Gods word. Imagine something far worse.
Soldiers. When friends have died in your arms, and you have killed face to face it changes you.
Ptsd has some odd effects on people. It would not surprise me if this was not part of the mix.

God bless you

 

[Noose]

This thread has quickly gone beyond limits but i can still use some help. Someone please help me understand OSAS.
Are the following statements correct as per OSAS?

1. 'We' are saved by Grace, a Grace that is sufficient
2. The Lord chose 'us' to be saved by this grace
3. The Lord works salvation in 'us' and 'we' can not loose it because He will never deny Himself
4. The Lord rewards those that are saved
5. Those that believe already have eternal life
6. But the Lord will harshly judge the others who are not saved, because they are not chosen, grace doesn't cover them, their reward is judgement because the Lord did not work salvation in them.
7. The Lord is a righteous judge

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Don't you have a clue? People here have enrolled and are 'fighting against the forces of darkness', defending the 'truth' aka OSAS and anyone who doesn't have OSAS in their lips is an 'agent of satan'.

Weirdly, some think christians can have the Holy Spirit and be possessed.
Some think only possessed or demon influenced people would actually suggest we as believers do
anything as believers, it is all Jesus or you are evil and deceived.

On a forum, one brother shared that anyone who opposed him was struck still and could not move.
Had a problem when I was not and carried on just sharing Christ and love. There is so much illusion
and abuse, it is a wonder people are actually saved, but thankfully as cc testifies there are many
faithful to Jesus and His word, Amen. They are the elect and can never be shaken.

I read this yesterday and it warmed my heart

7 For there are three that testify:
8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
9 We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.
10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart.
1 John 5

The Spirit, the love and reality of Christ within us, the blood the cleansing of our hearts and consciences of sin,
the water, the washing of baptism and the Holy Spirit to make us Holy and Pure in Jesus.

 

[gb9]

Dear sister,

When someone is this skilled at winding people up, you can be sure some would attempt revenge
by hitting where it hurts. I have seen people truly hurt on the internet and go hunting others.
It is not a pretty sight. You do not get this skilled without incidents like this cropping up.

I intervene and attempt to shine a light on what people are doing emotionally and spiritually.
Look how I am treated just bringing peace and Gods word. Imagine something far worse.
Soldiers. When friends have died in your arms, and you have killed face to face it changes you.
Ptsd has some odd effects on people. It would not surprise me if this was not part of the mix.

God bless you

um, many of us calling you out for being banned at least twice, and being back is not " treating you bad " as you implied, it is pointing out truth,

telling you that you are not sinless and perfect is reality, not bad treatment.

so, get off your fake , whining moral high horse and be a man and address things, not attack the people who point out TRUTH to you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You really have to laugh at them it undermines their inflated egos,they can't stand it! Also ignore makes the forums easier to read without all the name calling and guff they spew! If ppl choose to not walk after Jesus as He says,it on them and you are right FHS,makes us press forward more!

So now you resort to liking about people the same lies your group makes that we do not want to walk like jesus

How can you live with yourself preaching obedience while being disobedient

 

[Smooth]

The bible does not preach conditional life, it teaches eternal life

I’m using that one, bro. 😎