Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

The purification/ceremonial works of the law used to have to be done.
There is no getting around that.
A person had to be ceremonially clean or they could not go to the temple where God's Spirit was.

Those were symbols. Meant to lead Gods people to Christ.

Nothing more nothing less

 

[stonesoffire]

It's interesting how some threads tie in together.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Faith alone is dead and cannot save anyone.
We have to believe that we have to obey this man Jesus who is God in the flesh.

Faith alone is not faith at all. Thats why it is called dead.

Faith is NEVER alone. But faith pus works will NEVER save

 

[BillG]

There are many people who believe and go on sinning as always.
We have to do more than believe.
I gave many scriptures that say faith alone does not save.
I gave many scriptures where Jesus says to obey.

We receive when Jesus accepts us.

Could you explain more what you mean?

So there are no scripture that says we are saved by faith?

 

[YourTruthGod]

When does this happen? When does Jesus accept us? Dont tell me its on the other side, that sounds too much like a gamble to me.

Jesus accepts those here and now who believe and obey him.

Jesus accepts those who do right: Acts 10:35 but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We have to have faith that we have to obey him.

Wrong

We have to have faith we need a savior and he will save us

Then once he saves us, Our faith turns into works..

Your trying to mix them both. That is error.

 

[BillG]

We have to have faith that we have to obey him.

What is this faith you talk about

 

[YourTruthGod]

We love because he loved us

How can I forgive others unless I am forgiven first.

You need to get yourself out of the equation.

Being saved is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You are not ever out of the equation.
You can forgive other before you are forgiven, for you cannot be forgiven if you do not first forgive others.

…unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart; Matthew 18:35.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Being saved is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You are not ever out of the equation.
You can forgive other before you are forgiven, for you cannot be forgiven if you do not first forgive others.

When will you repent? And stop trusting yourself?

Jesus said in John 6 the only way to be saved is to feed on him. Forgiving others has no bearing in ones salvation.

Once again, If you want to be saved by obedience, the requirement is perfection. Have you met that requirement?

 

[YourTruthGod]

I understand that. To love others as He has loved us. Always forgiven.

We will with being in Him. Clothed with Him. Filled with His Spirit. The power is not of us though. That's why I say one tree must die. That tree will differentiate between acting good or acting evil.

Or Jew and gentile. Jesus took this away and has made us all in unbelief. Only belief will free us.

We have to believe and obey.

 

[YourTruthGod]

The old law condemned anyone who did not obey every word.

Moses made them confirm this with an Oath. And paul re-itterated that in Gal 3.

No one was ever made clean by the law. That was never its purpose.

A person had to obey God and do the purification/ceremonial works of the law before they could belong to God.

Hebrews 9:13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.

Hebrews 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I have but one comment:
Any friend of Benny Hinn or his loathesome ilk is no friend of mine.

???

Are you talking to ME??
WHAT are you talking about?

I must say, whatever the above means,,,you sure do have a lot of hate in you for a Christian.
I truly am beginning to doubt the salvation of some on this thread.

 

[BillG]

We have to believe and obey.

We have to believe full stop.
That is what saves.
When we believe then we want to obey and seek to be like Jesus as a result of being saved.

If you say we have to obey in order to be saved then you have to set the bar.

If that's the case what is the bar?
Is it the same bar that God sets in order to achieve salvation?

 

[YourTruthGod]

Faith alone is not faith at all. Thats why it is called dead.

Faith is NEVER alone. But faith pus works will NEVER save

Faith alone without right action is dead.

 

[BillG]

???

Are you talking to ME??
WHAT are you talking about?

I must say, whatever the above means,,,you sure do have a lot of hate in you for a Christian.
I truly am beginning to doubt the salvation of some on this thread.

Sister don't fall foul of what you feel you have been accused of.
Salvation

 

[YourTruthGod]

So there are no scripture that says we are saved by faith?

There is no such thing as faith alone without obedience being the way to be saved.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Wrong

We have to have faith we need a savior and he will save us

Then once he saves us, Our faith turns into works..

Your trying to mix them both. That is error.

We have to believe and obey Jesus.

 

[YourTruthGod]

What is this faith you talk about

It is living faith, faith that is alive.

 

[BillG]

There is no such thing as faith alone without obedience being the way to be saved.

Ok. You and I must have a different Bible.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A person had to obey God and do the purification/ceremonial works of the law before they could belong to God.

Hebrews 9:13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.

Hebrews 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

What do you think the cross did??