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That's great. But it doesn't answer my question.
Here we have a sheep, equating to a born again Child of God, getting "lost". Are you saying that being "lost" here means the born again Child of God is no longer saved?
And if so, are you saying the Born again Child of God can be saved, get "lost" and no longer be saved, then get saved again, and apparently repeat this process over and over?
You also have NOT answered how all this can be relative to your favorite verses,
Romans 8:38-39 New King James Version (NKJV)
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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First off: I though you put me on ignore? 
Never once said it was okay. You're back to putting words in other's mouths I see.
Yep. Prove me wrong.
How likely are you to sin every day?
Are you more saved than others?
Self-righteousness is serious. And it has infected this thread.
Never once said it was okay. You're back to putting words in other's mouths I see.
Yep. Prove me wrong.
How likely are you to sin every day?
Are you more saved than others?
Self-righteousness is serious. And it has infected this thread.
2. You DID say sinning is OK. Here it is:
I posted what OSAS means...which is this:
OSAS:
Once Saved Always Saved teaches that once a person "accepts" Jesus, whatever that may mean to him... he believe to be saved forever....NO MATTER what he does in his life, or what type of life he lives.
IOW, he could murder and still be saved...he could not ask forgiveness of sins, and still be saved (as a habit not forgetfulness).
This is an extreme view and is not supported by the N.T. teachings of Jesus, Paul, and the other writers.
To which YOU replied this:
Darn tootin' I believe it.
(see post no. 89,232 for your response.)
IOW, You ARE saying that one could sin all he wants to and still be saved....
3. Your next three statement are rather silly so I won't take time to answer them.
They just prove your preoccupation with sin.
I don't know why....
Hi guys,
Please could some provide a dictionary of terms.
You cannot have meaningful conversation if sin is
1. Having a body
2. Not doing something you think you should do, or doing something not based on faith
3. Doing a sinful action as defined by Gods moral law
These different position lead to different theologies.
People with honesty, integrity and real faith can shout at each other how deceptive the other is
because they are lying and slandering the others faith, and be speaking the truth, because within
their own belief system they are speaking the truth.
Jesus called us to love our enemies, because often our enemy is the same as us, with a slight
variation.
One member claimed I did not understand anything they said.
They were expressing a feeling, and probably I had missed their intent, but then again one can think
you are saying one thing, but actually are saying something very different.
Context matter, like the definitions of sin, which lead to differences of belief, without an actual
dishonesty or even evil or bad intent. Trouble is God will find us guilty of real sin as He defines it, and
unless we know what this is, we cannot walk in His ways or know His will.
Please could some provide a dictionary of terms.
You cannot have meaningful conversation if sin is
1. Having a body
2. Not doing something you think you should do, or doing something not based on faith
3. Doing a sinful action as defined by Gods moral law
These different position lead to different theologies.
People with honesty, integrity and real faith can shout at each other how deceptive the other is
because they are lying and slandering the others faith, and be speaking the truth, because within
their own belief system they are speaking the truth.
Jesus called us to love our enemies, because often our enemy is the same as us, with a slight
variation.
One member claimed I did not understand anything they said.
They were expressing a feeling, and probably I had missed their intent, but then again one can think
you are saying one thing, but actually are saying something very different.
Context matter, like the definitions of sin, which lead to differences of belief, without an actual
dishonesty or even evil or bad intent. Trouble is God will find us guilty of real sin as He defines it, and
unless we know what this is, we cannot walk in His ways or know His will.
No. Grace covers over a multitude of sins.
This logic is like saying an argument between a married couple means they are divorced? No.
But it could lead to a divorce.
Like a person comes to faith, follows Jesus, but starts to hate Gods law.
They sow to the flesh and it consumes them until there is no faith or insight into God left.
Sin has consumed them, until only death remains.
This logic is like saying an argument between a married couple means they are divorced? No.
But it could lead to a divorce.
Like a person comes to faith, follows Jesus, but starts to hate Gods law.
They sow to the flesh and it consumes them until there is no faith or insight into God left.
Sin has consumed them, until only death remains.
Post 88,962
I NEVER said it was "okay" I said we (including you) WILL continue to sin, and that though we do, we remain saved because salvation is a gift and grace is unmerited. PERIOD.
It is tiring the way you try to make people say things they did not actually say.
Again, to challenge the self-righteous such as yourself.
2. You DID say sinning is OK. Here it is:
I posted what OSAS means...which is this:
OSAS:
Once Saved Always Saved teaches that once a person "accepts" Jesus, whatever that may mean to him... he believe to be saved forever....NO MATTER what he does in his life, or what type of life he lives.
IOW, he could murder and still be saved...he could not ask forgiveness of sins, and still be saved (as a habit not forgetfulness).
This is an extreme view and is not supported by the N.T. teachings of Jesus, Paul, and the other writers.
To which YOU replied this:
Darn tootin' I believe it.
(see post no. 89,232 for your response.)
IOW, You ARE saying that one could sin all he wants to and still be saved....
I posted what OSAS means...which is this:
OSAS:
Once Saved Always Saved teaches that once a person "accepts" Jesus, whatever that may mean to him... he believe to be saved forever....NO MATTER what he does in his life, or what type of life he lives.
IOW, he could murder and still be saved...he could not ask forgiveness of sins, and still be saved (as a habit not forgetfulness).
This is an extreme view and is not supported by the N.T. teachings of Jesus, Paul, and the other writers.
To which YOU replied this:
Darn tootin' I believe it.
(see post no. 89,232 for your response.)
IOW, You ARE saying that one could sin all he wants to and still be saved....
It is tiring the way you try to make people say things they did not actually say.
Again, to challenge the self-righteous such as yourself.
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Iwould agree that his sheep, hear, and follow...if they don't ....not his sheep
I am curious though of the difference between sanctification and salvation in the way that you described it....any scriptures you could give???
i grew up listening to Lester Roloff, Maze Jackson, Olver b Greene (not that I agreed with them on everything) they just seemed a whole lot more conservative (for lack of a better word) than alot of the preachers I hear today
would you say you lean more towards the way they preached.....just curious
i especially loved hearing Lester and Maze
Iwould agree that his sheep, hear, and follow...if they don't ....not his sheep
I am curious though of the difference between sanctification and salvation in the way that you described it....any scriptures you could give???
i grew up listening to Lester Roloff, Maze Jackson, Olver b Greene (not that I agreed with them on everything) they just seemed a whole lot more conservative (for lack of a better word) than alot of the preachers I hear today
would you say you lean more towards the way they preached.....just curious
i especially loved hearing Lester and Maze
1. I don't put persons on IGNORE. I'm not a kindergartener and can take care of myself.
2. You DID say sinning is OK. Here it is:
I posted what OSAS means...which is this:
OSAS:
Once Saved Always Saved teaches that once a person "accepts" Jesus, whatever that may mean to him... he believe to be saved forever....NO MATTER what he does in his life, or what type of life he lives.
IOW, he could murder and still be saved...he could not ask forgiveness of sins, and still be saved (as a habit not forgetfulness).
This is an extreme view and is not supported by the N.T. teachings of Jesus, Paul, and the other writers.
To which YOU replied this:
Darn tootin' I believe it.
(see post no. 89,232 for your response.)
IOW, You ARE saying that one could sin all he wants to and still be saved....
3. Your next three statement are rather silly so I won't take time to answer them.
They just prove your preoccupation with sin.
I don't know why....
2. You DID say sinning is OK. Here it is:
I posted what OSAS means...which is this:
OSAS:
Once Saved Always Saved teaches that once a person "accepts" Jesus, whatever that may mean to him... he believe to be saved forever....NO MATTER what he does in his life, or what type of life he lives.
IOW, he could murder and still be saved...he could not ask forgiveness of sins, and still be saved (as a habit not forgetfulness).
This is an extreme view and is not supported by the N.T. teachings of Jesus, Paul, and the other writers.
To which YOU replied this:
Darn tootin' I believe it.
(see post no. 89,232 for your response.)
IOW, You ARE saying that one could sin all he wants to and still be saved....
3. Your next three statement are rather silly so I won't take time to answer them.
They just prove your preoccupation with sin.
I don't know why....
As of this morning, Bud admitted being alive is sinful.
So there is nothing to be gained by doing anything "good" or "righteous", and nothing can be separated
as evil or not evil, because to him all are the same.
So the worst excesses of man are as good as the best loving societies possible or another way,
God should not have judged Nineveh, because it was as evil after they repented as before.
Moral relativism exists where you have no morals or all morals are equally evil.
I am sure these guys are totally unaware that lawlessness can be expressed in more than one way,
and the king of lawlessness is not a place a believer should ever go.
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We are in the flesh. We still have the "Old Man", which means we will still sin. Yet, we have been declared holy, righteous, perfect, and sinless by God.
How can that be?
The two natures. The "Flesh" and our New Nature in Christ. That's also why the Bible says a believer does not sin, nor can he. That is speaking of the New Nature. If not, none of us would be saved.
Get it now, Chubby Checker?
How can that be?
The two natures. The "Flesh" and our New Nature in Christ. That's also why the Bible says a believer does not sin, nor can he. That is speaking of the New Nature. If not, none of us would be saved.
Get it now, Chubby Checker?
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If sin comes only from the flesh, and we are bound to sin because we are human, why did Jesus call us
to repent.
From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."
Matt 4:17
Was Jesus lying? If Jesus was speaking the truth, we are responsible for our sin, and can do something
about it.
to repent.
From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."
Matt 4:17
Was Jesus lying? If Jesus was speaking the truth, we are responsible for our sin, and can do something
about it.