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Yes sir.... I don't think Judas started out full of the devil.... Because of Mark 3 and Matthew 10 and a host of other scriptures
I think Judas was tempted just like you and I are and he failed
When I said earlier that Peter's sin was worse than Judas. Was the difference between the betrayal and denial
If I betray you I slam the door in your face........ Denial locks the door?????
Betrayal...... Stabs me in the back with a knife........ Denial it's twisting the knife??????
Peter was looking in at the savior from the fire pit and felt the peer pressure and while looking at the savior cursed and said I don't know the man
The only difference between Peter and Judas was that Peter bitterly wept no doubt asking forgiveness and repenting
The first word Jesus said to Judas in the garden in the presence of Roman soldiers was "FRIEND"....... I believe Judas could have ran to Jesus just like Peter did fall on his mercy and ask forgiveness Jesus would have forgiven him
Of course I know Jesus knew what Judas was going to do... David prophesied it etc.... But Judas betrayed the Lord by his own choice and fall to temptation
I think Judas was tempted just like you and I are and he failed
When I said earlier that Peter's sin was worse than Judas. Was the difference between the betrayal and denial
If I betray you I slam the door in your face........ Denial locks the door?????
Betrayal...... Stabs me in the back with a knife........ Denial it's twisting the knife??????
Peter was looking in at the savior from the fire pit and felt the peer pressure and while looking at the savior cursed and said I don't know the man
The only difference between Peter and Judas was that Peter bitterly wept no doubt asking forgiveness and repenting
The first word Jesus said to Judas in the garden in the presence of Roman soldiers was "FRIEND"....... I believe Judas could have ran to Jesus just like Peter did fall on his mercy and ask forgiveness Jesus would have forgiven him
Of course I know Jesus knew what Judas was going to do... David prophesied it etc.... But Judas betrayed the Lord by his own choice and fall to temptation
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Unbelievers do not believe in Jesus.
But many believe there is a God.
I have met many and when I talked about Jesus they reject it but hope that if there is a God then hope that they will accepted based on good works outweighs the bad ones.
Yes the sheep among them need be like Jesus, that God loves them, he cares for them.
But to be honest and my thoughts are that it is wrong to wade in and say "You sinner you need to come to Jesus and stop sinning"
I love the approach of Jesus.
Met with sinners, dined with sinners.
Loved them where they were at, when they saw this and experienced this then their lives were changed.
We are called by God to be like Jesus, to love and to accept others where they are at.
What a privilege that God would use us.
We must never forget that, God will use us he wants to use us.
So many do not believe it bacuase they think they are dirty miserable sinners.
Just like this hot headed man
Luke 5:8
8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying, “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!”
And we know what he went on to do.
But many believe there is a God.
I have met many and when I talked about Jesus they reject it but hope that if there is a God then hope that they will accepted based on good works outweighs the bad ones.
Yes the sheep among them need be like Jesus, that God loves them, he cares for them.
But to be honest and my thoughts are that it is wrong to wade in and say "You sinner you need to come to Jesus and stop sinning"
I love the approach of Jesus.
Met with sinners, dined with sinners.
Loved them where they were at, when they saw this and experienced this then their lives were changed.
We are called by God to be like Jesus, to love and to accept others where they are at.
What a privilege that God would use us.
We must never forget that, God will use us he wants to use us.
So many do not believe it bacuase they think they are dirty miserable sinners.
Just like this hot headed man
Luke 5:8
8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying, “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!”
And we know what he went on to do.
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Salvation began at the cross, apart from us, God giving himself to us and with us until the end of the world. Borne of the Spirit is carried by the Holy Spirit to go on to perfection. Not everyone is interested in working out renewal. Many say they do but you don't see a cross in their life, you can tell by their language, does it mean they are lost? Let me tell you: when I was 23 a babe in Christ, I took pride in hearing the Lord speak to me a few times, that's 40 years ago. The Lord told me: Your going to fall that you may learn to continually repent. "Pride goes before the fall." Was I unsaved when fallen, not according to God, but certainly in loss of a crown of everlasting Life. "Let no one take your crown." Unless we forsake everyone and everything and our own life we can't be His disciples." Some even think there are no more disciples in this day. Obviously they are not called to be a disciple, not yet at least. Doesn't mean they are lost, Jesus had 12 disciples who became missionaries: we don't use the word apostles today, it's lost old English and I tent to agree it can go to your head and your no longer in submission to the Head. I'm called as an evangelist, you should know the gifts and calling of God are without repentance and the Lord continued to speak to me in my fallen state. The word when I was called 40 years ago: Be wholehearted in My Word and I Will accord thee a portion with the great. Shure some of you think that cant be the Lord, that doesn't bother me, I don't expect those who don't understand to change. I also understood at the time, "Whoever is great among you let him serve." 3 years ago when I was still in addiction the call was specific: Do the work of an evangelist. Fear not I Am with you. Pray for the anointing. Proclaim deliverance...
I don't yet have that anointing, and will retire from work in a year. Convinced all this is in God's hands, that as we walk in the light we have we get more light. I believe I will end up in the Philippines. Please don't think I'm bragging, maybe speaking as a fool but not bragging, pride has been broken, there is work to do and don't let pride hinder you, our time is short.
I don't yet have that anointing, and will retire from work in a year. Convinced all this is in God's hands, that as we walk in the light we have we get more light. I believe I will end up in the Philippines. Please don't think I'm bragging, maybe speaking as a fool but not bragging, pride has been broken, there is work to do and don't let pride hinder you, our time is short.
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To be honest I don't care to argue about it either.
All we know is that Judas betrayed Jesus, not much more.
Many different thoughts and hypothesis concerning him.
I personally do not believe he was saved to begin with.
I won't address the thoughts you have concerning OSAS as you know them anyway.
All we know is that Judas betrayed Jesus, not much more.
Many different thoughts and hypothesis concerning him.
I personally do not believe he was saved to begin with.
I won't address the thoughts you have concerning OSAS as you know them anyway.
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I think Paul was saying to believe that we have died with Him because we have. 
Joy comes from being free. So what do we do to keep free? Ephesians 5 tells us.
We are complete in Him. But, how many of us know this? And how many declare this from the pulpit?
Joy comes from being free. So what do we do to keep free? Ephesians 5 tells us.We are complete in Him. But, how many of us know this? And how many declare this from the pulpit?
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Would you rather I repost every insult from you
or repost instances where you didn't respond in a timely fashion or said falsehoods about me or others here
or would you rather drop the false accusation nonsense when you "discuss scripture" with me
I will post and explain the sort of tactic I see from you which makes it impossible to talk to you without needing to correct your behavior before we even get in to scripture.
Insulting, and containing a false accusation... in response to me not even quoting you but speaking for my Father in heaven
(you SEEMINGLY imply some here will tell you NOT to obey God)
here i posted only scripture (not directed at you)
you post in your usual manner of being insulting
then after being insulting when i post only scripture you make a false accusation thats says i am against works ....
^^^^^^
then justify your false accusation with this
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then you reply with this nonsense after you started the ...."discussion" by quoting me posting scripture
you then never owned up to this....
then you claim I am scared when I am clocking out from work and driving home for not replying to you in a timely fashion.....
you play games fran... or you just do not see how hard you make it to have a serious discussion with you
(very light examples here of our most recent encounters.... theres enough to post many pages if you still want me to "back up my claim")
Would you rather I repost every insult from you
or repost instances where you didn't respond in a timely fashion or said falsehoods about me or others here
or would you rather drop the false accusation nonsense when you "discuss scripture" with me
I will post and explain the sort of tactic I see from you which makes it impossible to talk to you without needing to correct your behavior before we even get in to scripture.
Insulting, and containing a false accusation... in response to me not even quoting you but speaking for my Father in heaven
(you SEEMINGLY imply some here will tell you NOT to obey God)
here i posted only scripture (not directed at you)
you post in your usual manner of being insulting
then after being insulting when i post only scripture you make a false accusation thats says i am against works ....
^^^^^^
then justify your false accusation with this
________
then you reply with this nonsense after you started the ...."discussion" by quoting me posting scripture
you then never owned up to this....
then you claim I am scared when I am clocking out from work and driving home for not replying to you in a timely fashion.....
you play games fran... or you just do not see how hard you make it to have a serious discussion with you
(very light examples here of our most recent encounters.... theres enough to post many pages if you still want me to "back up my claim")
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I almost wasn't going to reply to this...
Here's something else you could use against me in the future:
GROW UP NNM !!
This is very childish of you.
I said sayings are CUTE....not you.
And yes, if you have nothing better to do, go ahead and find all the posts where I insult someone...
but make sure they're insults because the ones above are not.
And should I also go and find all the posts where I was REALLY insulted?
Oops.
Can't.
Gotta go watch some TV.
Here's something else you could use against me in the future:
GROW UP NNM !!
This is very childish of you.
I said sayings are CUTE....not you.
And yes, if you have nothing better to do, go ahead and find all the posts where I insult someone...
but make sure they're insults because the ones above are not.
And should I also go and find all the posts where I was REALLY insulted?
Oops.
Can't.
Gotta go watch some TV.