Not By Works

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VCO

VCO

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TLIG said:
Go for it.
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Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.

Titus 3:4-7 (GWT)
4 However, when God our Savior made his kindness and love for humanity appear,
5 he saved us, but not because of anything we had done to gain his approval. Instead, because of his mercy he saved us through the washing in which the Holy Spirit gives us new birth and renewal.
6 God poured a generous amount of the Spirit on us through Jesus Christ our Savior.
7 As a result, God in his kindness has given us his approval and we have become heirs who have the confidence that we have everlasting life.

Not because of works of righteousness we have done, not because we did the required number of good works, not because we rubbed HIM the right way like He was a Magic Genie; BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT CHRIST DID FOR US ON THE CROSS, A COMPLETE GIFT OF GOD, NOTHING TO BE ADDED TO IT. Where does Obedience come from then? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION; but it has EVERYTHING to do with GOD's LOVE that HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT POUR INTO OUR HEARTS, Rom. 5:5. God's love HE poured into our hearts, will produce or spawns that same kind of love HE poured into our hearts. YES, Obedience is produces in us by that LOVE.

So you do not get to pat yourself on the back for obedience, because it is something GOD put in us.

Romans 3:27-28 (TLB)
27 Then what can we boast about doing to earn our salvation? Nothing at all. Why?
Because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds; it is based on what Christ has done and our faith in him.
28 So it is that we are saved by faith in Christ and not by the good things we do.

1 Peter 1:3-6 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 You rejoice in this, though now for a short time you have had to struggle in various trials

Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
9 not from works, so that no one can boast.

Romans 4:4-5 (CSBBible)
4 Now to the one who works, pay is not credited as a gift, but as something owed.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on him who declares the ungodly to be righteous,
his faith is credited for righteousness.


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Still looking for the questions I asked in Post #72, 496, to be answered.
 
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VCO said:
Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.

Titus 3:4-7 (GWT)
4 However, when God our Savior made his kindness and love for humanity appear,
5 he saved us, but not because of anything we had done to gain his approval. Instead, because of his mercy he saved us through the washing in which the Holy Spirit gives us new birth and renewal.
6 God poured a generous amount of the Spirit on us through Jesus Christ our Savior.
7 As a result, God in his kindness has given us his approval and we have become heirs who have the confidence that we have everlasting life.

Not because of works of righteousness we have done, not because we did the required number of good works, not because we rubbed HIM the right way like He was a Magic Genie; BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT CHRIST DID FOR US ON THE CROSS, A COMPLETE GIFT OF GOD, NOTHING TO BE ADDED TO IT. Where does Obedience come from then? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION; but it has EVERYTHING to do with GOD's LOVE that HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT POUR INTO OUR HEARTS, Rom. 5:5. God's love HE poured into our hearts, will produce or spawns that same kind of love HE poured into our hearts. YES, Obedience is produces in us by that LOVE.

So you do not get to pat yourself on the back for obedience, because it is something GOD put in us.

Romans 3:27-28 (TLB)
27 Then what can we boast about doing to earn our salvation? Nothing at all. Why?
Because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds; it is based on what Christ has done and our faith in him.
28 So it is that we are saved by faith in Christ and not by the good things we do.

1 Peter 1:3-6 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 You rejoice in this, though now for a short time you have had to struggle in various trials

Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
9 not from works, so that no one can boast.

Romans 4:4-5 (CSBBible)
4 Now to the one who works, pay is not credited as a gift, but as something owed.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on him who declares the ungodly to be righteous,
his faith is credited for righteousness.


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Still looking for the questions I asked in Post #72, 496, to be answered.
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Why do you feel I owe you
an answer to any question you present to me?
 
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VCO said:
Now you have to explain yourself?

Do you NOT realize JESUS has GOD in the Flesh. GOD IS AN OMNIPRESENT SPIRIT, so EVEN THOUGH HE HAD GOD IN HIS FLESH, HE DID NOT STOP BEING OMNIPRESENT.

2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
19 to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Philippians 2:5-6 (HCSB)
5 Make your own attitude that of Christ Jesus,
6 who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

Colossians 2:8-10 (HCSB)
8 Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elemental forces of the world, and not based on Christ.
9 For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ,
10 and you have been filled by Him, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

John 14:10 (HCSB)
10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I speak to you I do not speak on My own.
The Father who lives in Me does His works.

WHY?

John 14:9-10 (HCSB)
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been among you all this time without your knowing Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I speak to you I do not speak on My own. The Father who lives in Me does His works.


Are you DENYING the Doctrine of the HOLY TRINITY, that states the three personages, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are co-equally ONE DEITY that we call the Holy Trinity?
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I am not going to answer question after question
and you answer none or hide in the details of the bible.

And you exact your own
unproven opinions on me as the truth.

One on one debate

winner takes all.

Do you accept?
 
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In a debate you have to PROVE what you say.

You will not be able to do it.
 
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TLIG

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NONE OF YOU CAN DO IT.

if you could

you would.

but you can't

so you don't.
 
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I have conversed with many on here already.


I have seen no one of you PROVE anything that has been said to me.

Basically you all post a page full of verses then say


see I am right and you are wrong.

THAT IS ALL ANY OF YOU DO.
 
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The Lord told me to tell you that you cannot walk your own talk.

lol

lol

lol
 
VCO

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EVERYBODY,
I already put TLIG on my Permanent IGNORE LIST. The fastest ever to get there, because he earned it.
 
dcontroversal

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VCO said:
EVERYBODY,
I already put TLIG on my Permanent IGNORE LIST. The fastest ever to get there, because he earned it.
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He made my list after he proved he is dishonest, and only after 2 days of repetative dishonesty and an inability to tell the truth without twisting everything out of context.....
 
Jewel5712

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TLIG said:
You have it made compared to most people on earth.

Of a truth
never a complaint
should come out of your mouth.

And that applies just as well to me too.
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Never did tell me what the foreign words meant in your post to me..you know..the ones you said were from God but had no interpretation...

In post :72656
 
Jewel5712

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VCO said:
Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.

Titus 3:4-7 (GWT)
4 However, when God our Savior made his kindness and love for humanity appear,
5 he saved us, but not because of anything we had done to gain his approval. Instead, because of his mercy he saved us through the washing in which the Holy Spirit gives us new birth and renewal.
6 God poured a generous amount of the Spirit on us through Jesus Christ our Savior.
7 As a result, God in his kindness has given us his approval and we have become heirs who have the confidence that we have everlasting life.

Not because of works of righteousness we have done, not because we did the required number of good works, not because we rubbed HIM the right way like He was a Magic Genie; BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT CHRIST DID FOR US ON THE CROSS, A COMPLETE GIFT OF GOD, NOTHING TO BE ADDED TO IT. Where does Obedience come from then? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION; but it has EVERYTHING to do with GOD's LOVE that HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT POUR INTO OUR HEARTS, Rom. 5:5. God's love HE poured into our hearts, will produce or spawns that same kind of love HE poured into our hearts. YES, Obedience is produces in us by that LOVE.

So you do not get to pat yourself on the back for obedience, because it is something GOD put in us.

Romans 3:27-28 (TLB)
27 Then what can we boast about doing to earn our salvation? Nothing at all. Why?
Because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds; it is based on what Christ has done and our faith in him.
28 So it is that we are saved by faith in Christ and not by the good things we do.

1 Peter 1:3-6 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 You rejoice in this, though now for a short time you have had to struggle in various trials

Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
9 not from works, so that no one can boast.

Romans 4:4-5 (CSBBible)
4 Now to the one who works, pay is not credited as a gift, but as something owed.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on him who declares the ungodly to be righteous,
his faith is credited for righteousness.


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Still looking for the questions I asked in Post #72, 496, to be answered.
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Yes..most of mine have gone unanswered as well..
 
Jewel5712

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TLIG said:
I have conversed with many on here already.


I have seen no one of you PROVE anything that has been said to me.

Basically you all post a page full of verses then say


see I am right and you are wrong.

THAT IS ALL ANY OF YOU DO.
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I couldve saved you from posting lots of pages of nonsense cause im always right..dont you know?? Lol
 
Jewel5712

Jewel5712

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TLIG said:
In a debate you have to PROVE what you say.

You will not be able to do it.
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In a debate..it cant be ONE SIDED...a lot of PROOF has been given you but you dont answer questions back or the rebuttle..just nonsense..

Im still waiting for you to show me i lied simce you called me a liar..
 
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