Not By Works

[UnderGrace]

Genuine believing is the heart and mind engaged together I think

One has to have some cognitive acceptance of the truth too before making it personal to them.

I tell you, and you ignore my personal experience. In the Church that I was raised in, all you had to do was intellectually in your head believe the Apostles Creed, and take up space on a PEW, and you were considered to be a real Christian. NO, that Theory, is Leading LOTS of People to HELL, thinking they are a SAVED CHRISTIAN. NO, inner. personal, Love Relationship with JESUS as your PERSONAL LORD and Master EQUALS NO SALVATION.

Don't you realize that Genuine BELIEVING is with your HEART, not with the human Brain that is found between your EARS?


Romans 10:10 (CSBBible)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses {Not just Professes that Jesus is my LORD, IT HAS TO BE THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR HEART} with the mouth, resulting in salvation.

 

[Endoscopy]

Yes, but the thing is, you know there is a problem. Can you not check for such things before posting? Proofreading and editing accordingly could save you a lot of bother. I only suggest it because I see you complaining about the five minute edit limit so much Not that others have not complained

I check and recheck but many times I don't see all of the problems. Some problems like line spacing only appear after posting. It is frustrating. Only have this problem on this site.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes there seems to be some default but into the reply section around spacing if you hit the enter key mid sentence it will mess up the spacing or maybe I just imagining it, I do find it frustrating though.

I check and recheck but many times I don't see all of the problems. Some problems like line spacing only appear after posting. It is frustrating. Only have this problem on this site.

 

[benhur]

God is the cause of us doing his will. We can't do it without him.
Yes Christians will not do his will and God is not causing to not do his will.
That's the choice we make when we did not.

By the way


What is the law of Christ.

That question you have asked many times.
You asked me, I responded.
You answered with a non answer.

So you are saying that when we do not the will of God, that is our choice, but when we do the will of God it is not our choice, but it is God that is doing it?

 

[benhur]

if you see that there is sin in the world do you assume that God is not great enough to give us a world that does not have errors?


consider A[SUP]1[/SUP] = {a[SUB]1[/SUB], a[SUB]2[/SUB], . . . a[SUB]n[/SUB]} such that A[SUP]1[/SUP] ⊂ Ω
where Ω = {all possible translations of the word of God into a human language}

suppose for some k ∈ 1 .. n, a[SUB]k[/SUB] contains error.

does this mean for every translation t[SUB]i[/SUB] ∈ Ω, t[SUB]i[/SUB] also contains error?

even if that were so, would it mean 'God is not great enough' in any sense?
what kind of logic is that? how do you call God 'not great enough' because He doesn't provide you with what you want or expect from Him in your imagination of what 'a perfect universe' would be if you were God instead? ?


that's weird of you IMO.
i keep hearing different forms of this argument, essentially variations on 'if KJV is not 100% perfect then God is evil' and i'm still not buying it. i think it's weird how people can think it's sound.

Who said anything about if the KJV is not 100% perfect, then God is evil? Not me.

But don't you find it interesting that different translations of the bible give different ways to be saved? In fact don't you find it interesting that in the same translation of the bible it seems to give contradictory ways to be saved?

The 2 most important doctrines in the bible is Jesus is the Christ, and this is how a person can have life eternal. That Jesus is the Christ is not a question in any bible, but how a person is saved certainly is a basis for argument (sometimes angry argument - see on this forum).

We know God is great, but answer the question as to why His bible is so difficult to understand sometimes?

 

[BillG]

So you are saying that when we do not the will of God, that is our choice, but when we do the will of God it is not our choice, but it is God that is doing it?

Just wanna be like Jesus.

 

[joefizz]

Who said anything about if the KJV is not 100% perfect, then God is evil? Not me.

But don't you find it interesting that different translations of the bible give different ways to be saved? In fact don't you find it interesting that in the same translation of the bible it seems to give contradictory ways to be saved?

The 2 most important doctrines in the bible is Jesus is the Christ, and this is how a person can have life eternal. That Jesus is the Christ is not a question in any bible, but how a person is saved certainly is a basis for argument (sometimes angry argument - see on this forum).

We know God is great, but answer the question as to why His bible is so difficult to understand sometimes?

Because we only have a "portion" not even a "half" of God's wisdom and patience.

 

[dcontroversal]

ROFL
So you are an immersion only person. I guess that other forms aren't valid according to you!
ROFL

According to the bible pal.....Maybe your creed loving anti-biblical stance fuela your ignorance of the truth, but that does not change the fact that baptizo means to immerse and equals being put UNDER THE GROUND.....I suppose when one dies in your family you just chunk them on the ground and toss a handful of dirt on them......good luck....there is but one means of biblical baptism.....and pouring or sprinkling does not match scripture nor the word itself.....

 

[dcontroversal]

You keep ignoring James saying faith without works is dead. Why is that?

And you keep lying and spreading false statements....I have addressed James numerous times in Context.....which alludes you due to you adherance to a creed and the same Catholic dogma you espouse.

 

[dcontroversal]

Notice these quotations from a variety of Greek lexicons:

Baptizo: “To make a thing dipped or dyed. To immerse for a religious purpose” (A Critical Lexicon andConcordance to the English and Greek New Testament, E.W. Bullinger).

Baptizo: “Dip, immerse, mid. Dip oneself, wash (in non-Christian lit. also ‘plunge, sink, drench, overwhelm. . . .’)” (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Arndt and Gingrich, p. 131).

Baptizo: “immersion, submersion” (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Grimm-Thayer, p. 94).Baptizo: “to dip, immerse, sink” (Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament, Abbott-Smith, p. 74).

Baptizo: “dip, plunge” (A Greek-English Lexicon, Liddell & Scott, p. 305).

Baptizo: “consisting of the process of immersion, submersion and emergence (from bapto, to dip)” (Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, W. E. Vine).

Baptizo: “immerse, submerge. The peculiar N.T. and Christian use of the word to denote immersion, submersion for a religious purpose” (Biblico-Theological Lexicon of the New Testament Greek, Cremer).

Baptizo: “to dip, immerse; to cleanse or purify by washing” (The New Analytical Greek Lexicon, Perschbacher, p. 66).

Baptizo: “to dip, to immerse, to sink. . . . There is no evidence that Luke or Paul and the other writers of the New Testament put upon this verb meanings not recognized by the Greeks” (Greek and English Lexicon, Sophocles).

Baptizo: “Bapto is the basic verb. It means ‘to dip in’ or ‘to dip under.’ It is often used of dipping fabric in a dye.

Baptizo is an intensive form of bapto. From early times it was used in the sense of immersing” (Expository Dictionary of Bible Words, Lawrence O. Richards, pp. 100-101).

Baptizo: “Baptizo, immerse” (Word Study Greek-English New Testament, Paul. R. McReynolds, p. 907).Baptizo: “The meaning of bapto and baptizo. bapto, ‘to dip in or under,’ ‘to dye,’ ‘to immerse,’ ‘to sink,’ ‘to drown,’ ‘to bathe,’ wash.'” (Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, One Volume, ed. Geoffrey W. Bromiley, p. 92).

Baptizo: “Baptizo 77x pr. to dip, immerse; to cleanse or purify by washing; to administer the rite of baptism, to baptize” (Greek and E[SUB][/SUB]
This is sufficient for us to see that there is little controversy as to the meaning of the term baptizo as found in the Koine (common) Greek language of the first century. The standard Greek lexicons reveal that the term means to dip, to immerse, to plunge, to sink, to submerge, to overwhelm, and other synonyms. In some of the references, the result of the immersion is given—to purify through washing. truediscipleship.com/how-is-baptism-defined-by-greek-dictionaries-3/

Amen....but what can we expect from one who states the bible is not our sole source of authority of faith and practice.......He pushes some creed like a popcorn vendor at the circus.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Again the absolutely stupid idiotic 5 minute rule struck again well before the 5 minutes was up.

This Admin obviously doesn't want to conform to how other forums are run having a reasonable 15 minute rule. And this on a Christian site making people angry. I know I get angry every time !!

Cry us a river ......the five minute rule is just fine and your last statement is a true testimony to your character......how many works will you have to do now to get right!

 

[NoNameMcgee]

You keep ignoring James saying faith without works is dead. Why is that?

No he doesn't.



What do you think saves you? If you were to be judged right now.... what is your hope in to be saved from a just punishment?

 

[gb9]

No he doesn't.



What do you think saves you? If you were to be judged right now.... what is your hope in to be saved from a just punishment?

I think a lot folks have this concept that there is going to be a courtroom type scene when we stand before God, and have a chance to plead their case. perhaps they should read the account of Jesus and goats and sheep......

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I think a lot folks have this concept that there is going to be a courtroom type scene when we stand before God, and have a chance to plead their case. perhaps they should read the account of Jesus and goats and sheep......

court room? well... i sure hope i dont have to plead my case..... i was hoping for an advocate

someone much more qualified and capable than myself

 

[UnderGrace]

So many of us have dealt with this every time you bring it up.

Probably because you do not like the answer I guess.

No he doesn't.



What do you think saves you? If you were to be judged right now.... what is your hope in to be saved from a just punishment?

 

[gb9]

court room? well... i sure hope i dont have to plead my case..... i was hoping for an advocate

someone much more qualified and capable than myself

I was speaking of the ones who think they are going to inform the Lord on what good people they were, how they kept the law,and that God is going to go " wow ".... those folks. not you!

 

[UnderGrace]

OOPs .. Sorry replied to the wrong entry, my response was meant for Endoscopy about James.

No he doesn't.



What do you think saves you? If you were to be judged right now.... what is your hope in to be saved from a just punishment?

 

[UnderGrace]

So many of us have dealt with this every time you bring it up.

Must be you do not like the answers I guess.

You keep ignoring James saying faith without works is dead. Why is that?

 

[mailmandan]

You keep ignoring James saying faith without works is dead. Why is that?

In James 2:20, "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works, which is like saying that a tree is dead until it produces fruit. It takes a living faith to produce good works, just as it takes a living tree to produce fruit.

James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works is dead. If someone says-claims he has faith but lacks resulting evidential works, then he has an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith.

 

[benhur]

All translations have errors because fallible groups on translators did the work. Only the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Judean Greek are infallible. The reason for the Greek to be Judean Greek is because the Jews always bring Hebrew words and concepts into a language they use. A modern one is Yiddish. It is Judean German.

Since we don't have any of the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Judean Greek, how do we go to the source and solve problems?