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I think I understand what he's saying.
Speaking of the same thing I see too. Either we are overcoming, or we have been overcome. But, Peter speaks of having a change of heart. I see our heart as wicked, and we need an entirely new heart.
Overcoming the world is our first step. By the new birth. The work of repentance and turning to God. Or response might be more accurate. Holy Spirit works to bring us to repentance, then puts our old man to the death through the Cross of Jesus.
Our response is to agree with truth.
Then, risen with Him, we learn to live, move, and have our being in His resurrection life.
I agree with the scripture. All by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of His testimony.
when I said Peter, I meant the one who now calls himself, light,love, life..something like that. Not the disciple.
Speaking of the same thing I see too. Either we are overcoming, or we have been overcome. But, Peter speaks of having a change of heart. I see our heart as wicked, and we need an entirely new heart.
Overcoming the world is our first step. By the new birth. The work of repentance and turning to God. Or response might be more accurate. Holy Spirit works to bring us to repentance, then puts our old man to the death through the Cross of Jesus.
Our response is to agree with truth.
Then, risen with Him, we learn to live, move, and have our being in His resurrection life.
I agree with the scripture. All by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of His testimony.
when I said Peter, I meant the one who now calls himself, light,love, life..something like that. Not the disciple.
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If we are obedient because we are being molded by God's Spirit, isn't the definition of that, 'perfection', because we will always be obedient?
OR are you willing to say that if we are not fully obedient, then we have not got the Spirit of God with us? And if we don't have God's Spirit, should we question if we have really been saved?
OR are you willing to say that if we are not fully obedient, then we have not got the Spirit of God with us? And if we don't have God's Spirit, should we question if we have really been saved?
This reminds me of :
Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Isa 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
Isa 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Isa 6:4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
When you "see" the Lord for Who is, and realize, we are "nothing"....
Isa 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
No way I or anyone can "puff chest out"...
He loved me when i wasn't even thinking of Him,
He loved me when I was not "lovable."
Praise His Name!
God Bless!
Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Isa 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
Isa 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Isa 6:4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
When you "see" the Lord for Who is, and realize, we are "nothing"....
Isa 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
No way I or anyone can "puff chest out"...
He loved me when i wasn't even thinking of Him,
He loved me when I was not "lovable."
Praise His Name!
God Bless!
So you could be angry with someone without cause but to be exasperated without cause is worse?
And you may be very right that the root word means more of an exasperation or impatience, but you look up the root to perhaps get a better and rounder understanding. You don't change the word TO the root. If anyone intended just the root that a word derived from, they would just use the root to begin with. But other things are affixed to the root to give a more defined meaning.
When someone says they are angry, it may include exasperation, but it goes deeper, so they don't say, I am exasperated but I am angry!
And you may be very right that the root word means more of an exasperation or impatience, but you look up the root to perhaps get a better and rounder understanding. You don't change the word TO the root. If anyone intended just the root that a word derived from, they would just use the root to begin with. But other things are affixed to the root to give a more defined meaning.
When someone says they are angry, it may include exasperation, but it goes deeper, so they don't say, I am exasperated but I am angry!
Good Day!
I am not always obedient, nor you, him, her, them, they,us,we......
Nor was Father Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, King David, Rahab was a hooker....
Its in our "nature."
ONLY YESHUA HAMASHIA IS WITHOUT SIN or SIN NATURE BEFORE YAHWEH.
Those who are His are covered with HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS,
When the Father sees us He SEES HIS Son....
God Bless..
I am not always obedient, nor you, him, her, them, they,us,we......
Nor was Father Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, King David, Rahab was a hooker....
Its in our "nature."
ONLY YESHUA HAMASHIA IS WITHOUT SIN or SIN NATURE BEFORE YAHWEH.
Those who are His are covered with HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS,
When the Father sees us He SEES HIS Son....
God Bless..
I do not see "perfection" like that (just jumping in here 
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The word perfect there means complete, or to be made complete. We are being made whole in the ongoing process of sanctification, being molded/conformed to the image of Christ, and in finding ourselves in Him, the meaning of our lives change, our interests and what drives us changes, our focus changes, everything changes to being less worldly (at least for me) One of the ways I understand that to be is in seeing how I am far less driven to seeking approval and/or validation from others. What a pickle I found myself in often when I lived in unhealthy co-dependence; it was the bane of my existence. I turn to Christ for the fulfillment of my needs, and cast all my cares on Him as He bids us do, and am being perfected in Him even as I remain a very flawed human being in this fallen world. My hope is not in this world, but the next
)The word perfect there means complete, or to be made complete. We are being made whole in the ongoing process of sanctification, being molded/conformed to the image of Christ, and in finding ourselves in Him, the meaning of our lives change, our interests and what drives us changes, our focus changes, everything changes to being less worldly (at least for me
) One of the ways I understand that to be is in seeing how I am far less driven to seeking approval and/or validation from others. What a pickle I found myself in often when I lived in unhealthy co-dependence; it was the bane of my existence. I turn to Christ for the fulfillment of my needs, and cast all my cares on Him as He bids us do, and am being perfected in Him even as I remain a very flawed human being in this fallen world. My hope is not in this world, but the next
I had a feeling I needed to log back in and respond. Without cause as I see it, means just that someone aggravates one just by being present. Nothing really to point to, just that.
Right now, will have to pick this up later with you stunned. Pressing things here at home need strention. Like 2 bird cages to start with. later. Probably around 9 or so.
Right now, will have to pick this up later with you stunned. Pressing things here at home need strention. Like 2 bird cages to start with.
later. Probably around 9 or so.
I believe when he says, "zapped into perfection", he is really saying that God inputs obedience into us by the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost then takes over and you become obedient. God kind of shoves your will and agency aside and the Holy Ghost takes over (zapped) and you are forever obedient (perfected).
It is all on God and the His Holy Spirit. There is really no action on your part in this scenerio, other than you have confessed that Jesus is your Savior. Zapped by God to be obedient. Always obedient = perfection.
It is all on God and the His Holy Spirit. There is really no action on your part in this scenerio, other than you have confessed that Jesus is your Savior. Zapped by God to be obedient. Always obedient = perfection.
Reminds me of Calvinism. Though on the one hand they say, yes, repentance and belief in the shed righteous blood of Christ are requisites for salvation, on the other hand they say man plays no part in his salvation. Apparently they do not see the contradiction inherent in their position, or that their theology embraces and promotes a God Who rewards and punishes people for things for which none bear responsibility, all having been ordained by God.