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I know you believe this guy....
Not saved until the end when the Lord sees your works yet you are already placed into the vine......and now this doctrine of birthing the son in you......vacillates more in belief than a metronome.......with about 57 flavors of doctrine.....like the Baskin Robbins of supposed Christian beliefs......
Not saved until the end when the Lord sees your works yet you are already placed into the vine......and now this doctrine of birthing the son in you......vacillates more in belief than a metronome.......with about 57 flavors of doctrine.....like the Baskin Robbins of supposed Christian beliefs......
No, because the bible teaches one biblical way of salvation not 2, 3 or 50.......and if one embellishes the biblical doctrine of salvation and makes it into a gospel of a different kind we can rightfully conclude that their dogma is not nor does it lead to salvation...wake up.....I judge no man's salvation, but their dogma on the other hand is easily judged by the word....
Paul was "laboring" in prayer for those in his charge. You want to look at the manchild in Revelations.
As far as looking into the mirror? This is in reference to the laver of washing. There was a mirror in the bottom. If you are washed by the water of the Word, then who should you see? Hint..in Christ. Then scripture speaks of failure if you leave and forget who you see.
Dead to sin, dead in Christ....alive unto God, alive in Spirit.
As far as looking into the mirror? This is in reference to the laver of washing. There was a mirror in the bottom. If you are washed by the water of the Word, then who should you see? Hint..in Christ. Then scripture speaks of failure if you leave and forget who you see.
Dead to sin, dead in Christ....alive unto God, alive in Spirit.
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Ok so most of the people on this thread are saved then. Nice of you to acknowledge that. 
How can I acknowledge this when.
1. They do not believe as John said that a child of God can not sin because they have been born of God, and that whoever sins has never seen God or known him (1 John 5)
2. They believe in conditional life, Not eternal life (john 3)
3. They may have prayed, but they did not call out for God to save them, They asked God to start the process and then they will finish the process by their good deeds, acts of righteousness, Holiness or whatever they say a person must do to maintain salvation (rom 10)
4. They do nto believe they will live forever, never die, will never hunger or thirst, They have eternal life etc etc,. They think this all is conditional, even after they are saved (john 6)
5. Even if they think they have recieved this inheritance, they think it is conditional Even the seal of the spirit is NOT until the day of redemption. But only applicable as long as we meet the requirements.
So no. I do not think this at all. Because it is NOT TRUE!
1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.
1 John 1:6-7 If we CLAIM to have fellowship with him yet WALK in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we WALK in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
21st Century King James Version Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath beforehand ordained, that we should WALK in them.
2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Luke 6:46 “And why call ye Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not the things which I say?
1 John 1:6-7 If we CLAIM to have fellowship with him yet WALK in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we WALK in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
21st Century King James Version Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath beforehand ordained, that we should WALK in them.
2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Luke 6:46 “And why call ye Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not the things which I say?
Why was the immoral man expelled?
Matthew 18:19-20
19 “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
18:19, 20 This passage specifically refers to church discipline. It is a promise for guidance for the two or three who confront, and a promise for the church to claim wisdom and restoration for the erring brother.
anything you ask: In the context of church discipline (18:15-17), this suggests that discipline must be done in prayer.
So if the church has followed the prescription of Jesus and he has not repented then yes disassociate with them.
Yet we do find a promise.
What is it Ralph?
The trend today is not to make it so easy that they don't leave, the trend is "Lets make it so hard for them to come back"
You say
It's the arrogant, unrepentant person who should be turned out and kept from coming back. It used to be they wouldn't come back anyway. Which is a good thing.
That is such a shocking thing to say.
The immoral man was disciplined for what reason?
Arrogance, and unrepentant attitude.
Yet you say by your words "It's a good think we kick them out and stop them from coming back"
The immoral man came back.
Yet your thoughts convey. "Close the front door to him"
This man was put outside the church and was restored.
Yet you want to stop him coming back.
Where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name.
Matthew 18:19-20
19 “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
18:19, 20 This passage specifically refers to church discipline. It is a promise for guidance for the two or three who confront, and a promise for the church to claim wisdom and restoration for the erring brother.
anything you ask: In the context of church discipline (18:15-17), this suggests that discipline must be done in prayer.
So if the church has followed the prescription of Jesus and he has not repented then yes disassociate with them.
Yet we do find a promise.
What is it Ralph?
The trend today is not to make it so easy that they don't leave, the trend is "Lets make it so hard for them to come back"
You say
It's the arrogant, unrepentant person who should be turned out and kept from coming back. It used to be they wouldn't come back anyway. Which is a good thing.
That is such a shocking thing to say.
The immoral man was disciplined for what reason?
Arrogance, and unrepentant attitude.
Yet you say by your words "It's a good think we kick them out and stop them from coming back"
The immoral man came back.
Yet your thoughts convey. "Close the front door to him"
This man was put outside the church and was restored.
Yet you want to stop him coming back.
Where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name.
