Not By Works

[Katy-follower]

God is good! I've been gone for about a month, busy with work things, and my focus has been on so many other things. Just so much going on right now.

He brought me back here tonight and scripture has just instantly come flooding back when I should be rusty from my lack of spiritual food.

So how does everyone here balance their time for prayer, reading scriptures, and forum time? Curious as I'm struggling with it myself.

 

[Katy-follower]

We do have anywhere from 2 to 4 kitties outside. They do a great job there..And the dogs chase bugs and lizards that occasionally come in...

but these flies were here buzzing. I think they are gone now.

Sometimes I'll hear a cricket chirping in the vents. I figured out that's how they get in the house after one of my cats would impatiently sit staring at a vent and screaming for more crickets, lol

 

[Katy-follower]

The difference I see is that true believer will not shrink back to unbelief.

Exactly. A blind person who can now see does not return to their blindness. True believers just don't become atheists. Yeah, there will be some who professed to be a christian at some point, without ever having had a spiritual transformation. That's the difference.

And then there will be some true believers who wrestle with their flesh and blame God for their hardships. That person might backslide for a time and even become rebellious, while still in their heart they know the truth, and God knows their heart and struggles. Someone might judge that person without knowing their situation or how God is working in their life and using said hardship too.

 

[mailmandan]

Scripture confirms the heart condition of those who fall away, in that they are not saved. Specifically, Jude confirms that apostates are those who don't have the Spirit.

The world's definition of apostates is different to the biblical definition, which is why some have this wrong belief that apostates were once believers. But Jude confirms apostates never had the Holy Spirit, so right there is confirmation of the truth. If you read the entire chapter it says much about non believers.

Amen! Jude is exhorting believers to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain ungodly men who have crept in unnoticed.

*Jude further describes these ungodly men as ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, DEVOID OF THE SPIRIT (vs. 19) In CONTRAST to those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ (vs. 1).

 

[NoNameMcgee]

God is good! I've been gone for about a month, busy with work things, and my focus has been on so many other things. Just so much going on right now.

He brought me back here tonight and scripture has just instantly come flooding back when I should be rusty from my lack of spiritual food.

So how does everyone here balance their time for prayer, reading scriptures, and forum time? Curious as I'm struggling with it myself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Maybe if we threw out all these orthodoxy opinions of man, we might come to unity? Like just studying the bible?

amen, stop listening t men, and listen to God, people are men followers by nature, we pick a group, and then rely on them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope sinners do not enter in, none of us is good enough and never will be.

Hence Jesus finished His work.

i am amazed people think they are so special or good, that they are above others,

that just proves to me there there was no repentance, a truly repentant person would look to God and not try to judge others or do pair themselves with others. And free or buy into a false hope,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It wasn't about authority. That's not even mentioned.

It's a telling that some aren't aware that we can hear from God. Had they known, they wouldn't have been so ready to lie.. they thought they were bro's going over sales..

are you perfect? What makes you better than them?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If that were in the Bible like the other, I could answer. You'd probably skip over it as well

so what s it? And what sins will keep you out? Your arguing about two peoplwho committed a sin unto death (physical death) did they commit that sin which creates an automatic sentence to hell?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm not addressing a list of denial of entry...but to this I will say that the new creation man are not liars. Liars are unregenerate.

That would pretty much mean no one will get in, we are all liars at different points in our life,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So would I, lol!

Thankfully, the growing pains of growing up into Christ do not cause us to lose our salvation. Why? Because we continue to believe and trust in the blood of Christ to wipe away the guilt of those failures.

It's when we depart from Christ in a willful unbelief that we can be lost. Why? Because we no longer have Christ through our believing--the believing we no longer have--to wipe away our sins.

So so we have t earn salvation by continuing t have faith,

thank you, but no thank you.

I am saved because god saved me, not because I saved myself

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The point is, you still do something. You respond. He doesn't do your responding for you.

It's like taking a pill the doctor prescribed. It can be the greatest cure of all time. You did not invent it. You did not think of it. You did not manufacture it. So you can not boast about it in any way shape or form. But you still have to take it, lol! The doctor doesn't take the pill for us.

He speaks we as sheep follow

we know his voice, that is the words of Jesus himself,

if you do do not follow, you are not his sheep, and never belonged to him.

 

[Rosemaryx]

So would I, lol!

Thankfully, the growing pains of growing up into Christ do not cause us to lose our salvation. Why? Because we continue to believe and trust in the blood of Christ to wipe away the guilt of those failures.

It's when we depart from Christ in a willful unbelief that we can be lost. Why? Because we no longer have Christ through our believing--the believing we no longer have--to wipe away our sins.

That`s what i feel the Holy Spirit showed me yesterday when i was reading Hebrews 6...NNM put a post up, i read it, re-read it and read it again, especially the bit about a man can not come back and repent, for he will be opening himself up to crucify the Son of God again, this is to those who have fell away, it truly opened my eyes to the osas, I believe the Holy Spirit showed me this, but someone on here said it was meant in a different way...If the Holy Spirit showed me this, then i must not allow mans word go above Gods word, it kind of made me question it again, i will keep seeking...xox...

 

[Rosemaryx]

That`s what i feel the Holy Spirit showed me yesterday when i was reading Hebrews 6...NNM put a post up, i read it, re-read it and read it again, especially the bit about a man can not come back and repent, for he will be opening himself up to crucify the Son of God again, this is to those who have fell away, it truly opened my eyes to the osas, I believe the Holy Spirit showed me this, but someone on here said it was meant in a different way...If the Holy Spirit showed me this, then i must not allow mans word go above Gods word, it kind of made me question it again, i will keep seeking...xox...

I must add, i am not questioning my Salvation, I know i am sealed and i am secure in Christ, but there is a message for those who fall away from Him in Hebrews 6 and it is a strong warning, that`s how it was revealed to me when i read it...xox...

 

[blue_ladybug]

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[NoNameMcgee]

I must add, i am not questioning my Salvation, I know i am sealed and i am secure in Christ, but there is a message for those who fall away from Him in Hebrews 6 and it is a strong warning, that`s how it was revealed to me when i read it...xox...

im still going over it myself rose ^_^

Matthew 22 1-14

22 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.


i feel the message is the same as this one in some ways

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I must add, i am not questioning my Salvation, I know i am sealed and i am secure in Christ, but there is a message for those who fall away from Him in Hebrews 6 and it is a strong warning, that`s how it was revealed to me when i read it...xox...

It may not be as set in stone as you think sis.

I would study it more, and not assume it was the HS who spoke to you.

The truth is, it says I a person who falls away, they can not be renewed to repentance, For that would put christ to open shame.

why would the fact that a person, who lost salvation, then being resaved (renewed to repentance) put Christ to shame

Answer that question. That is where I would start.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

im still going over it myself rose ^_^

Matthew 22 1-14

22 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.


i feel the message is the same as this one in some ways

I like the passage that immediately follows,

Heb 6
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; [SUP]8 [/SUP]but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

it to me is much like pauls words in Corinthians about gold silver precious stone, wood hay straw. and dhow even those who do not bear fruit and have their reward burnt as wood hay and straw are saved, even as though through fire (the image of a man whose house is on fire, and runs through the fire naked, He is alive, but has nothing to show for his life, because all lhe had was burnt by fire)

1. The rain is the things of God given to help a person produce fruit
2. The herbs are fruit, which we can produce when we are attached, and we are blessed by it
3. The briars are works done in the flesh which are not usefull thus have no blessing (reward) attacked,, they are burned.
4. Just as the man in the corinthian letter was saved as though through fire, this man is NEAR to being cursed. Not cursed,

Niether of them lost salvation. God kept his promise, inspite of the person not growing and doing all these great things for God.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I like the passage that immediately follows,

Heb 6
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; [SUP]8 [/SUP]but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

it to me is much like pauls words in Corinthians about gold silver precious stone, wood hay straw. and dhow even those who do not bear fruit and have their reward burnt as wood hay and straw are saved, even as though through fire (the image of a man whose house is on fire, and runs through the fire naked, He is alive, but has nothing to show for his life, because all lhe had was burnt by fire)

1. The rain is the things of God given to help a person produce fruit
2. The herbs are fruit, which we can produce when we are attached, and we are blessed by it
3. The briars are works done in the flesh which are not usefull thus have no blessing (reward) attacked,, they are burned.
4. Just as the man in the corinthian letter was saved as though through fire, this man is NEAR to being cursed. Not cursed,

Niether of them lost salvation. God kept his promise, inspite of the person not growing and doing all these great things for God.

interesting way to see that


rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned


i can definitely see how you see it that way EG

 

[preacher4truth]

Hmmmm...lotta ppl on here are working really hard to keep themselves saved. Whew, you guys sure looked tired and worried if you've done enough to be accepted.

I'll just rest in God whilst y'all work your way to heaven.

Pilgrim ran into these on the path to the Celestial City. They hopped over the wall at some point and hoped to make it in...