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Amen! I agree 100%.
There is a vast difference between our dealings with the Lord and our dealings with our brethren. If we have wronged someone - we should be saying so.
God looks on the heart and man looks on outward appearances.
It's these "outward appearances" that can affect our attitudes towards others.
Ephesians 4:29-32 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. ( It grieves the Spirit when we back-bite and attack each other )
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
There is a vast difference between our dealings with the Lord and our dealings with our brethren. If we have wronged someone - we should be saying so.
God looks on the heart and man looks on outward appearances.
It's these "outward appearances" that can affect our attitudes towards others.
Ephesians 4:29-32 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. ( It grieves the Spirit when we back-bite and attack each other )
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
Me get proof? I'm, still waiting on yours, something you will never find.
The comments you've supplied actually go against your teaching, they're hardly proof, nor do you know Gill.
He's Reformed, served as Pastor prior to, um, Spurgeon, and being Reformed believes and supports OSAS/Perseverance of the Saints. Just like, you know, his predecessor, Spurgeon too preached this glorious truth.
I find it rather humorous that you've used this, teaching that is against you, for "proof!" LOL!!!!!
You remind me of this:
The fact you don't know this, nor can you actually understand that what he had written is against your teaching is absolutely remarkable!!!
Get some comprehension my man, you've failed here.
The comments you've supplied actually go against your teaching, they're hardly proof, nor do you know Gill.
He's Reformed, served as Pastor prior to, um, Spurgeon, and being Reformed believes and supports OSAS/Perseverance of the Saints. Just like, you know, his predecessor, Spurgeon too preached this glorious truth.
I find it rather humorous that you've used this, teaching that is against you, for "proof!" LOL!!!!!
You remind me of this:
The fact you don't know this, nor can you actually understand that what he had written is against your teaching is absolutely remarkable!!!
Get some comprehension my man, you've failed here.
Now, why on earth would you say a thing like that?
Let's see.....
https://www.gotquestions.org/false-witness.html
Answer: Bearing false witness is mentioned many times in the Bible, exclusively as something bad. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” is the ninth of the Ten Commandments that Moses brought back with him from his encounter with God on Mount Sinai (Exodus 20:16). False witness, or spreading a false report, is associated with being allied with the wicked (Exodus 23:1), willing to do violence to others (Psalm 27:12), and sowing discord among brothers (Proverbs 6:19). The Bible calls bearing false witness lying (Proverbs 14:5) and compares a man who bears false witness against his neighbor to a violent weapon (Proverbs 25:18). Lies harm people.
A false witness is one who stands up and swears before others that something untrue is true, especially with the intention of hurting someone else or ruining his reputation. This happened to David (Psalm 27:12), Jesus (Matthew 26:60; Mark 14:56), and Paul (Acts 6:13). When the wicked Queen Jezebel wished to procure a vineyard for her sulking husband, King Ahab, she employed two false witnesses. Naboth, the rightful owner of the vineyard, was seated in an honorable place on a day of fasting, but “then two scoundrels came and sat opposite him and brought charges against Naboth before the people, saying, ‘Naboth has cursed both God and the king.’ So they took him outside the city and stoned him to death” (1 Kings 21:13). What the “scoundrels” said against Naboth was absolutely untrue; they were bearing false witness with impunity and with the queen’s blessing. As a result, an innocent man was killed. When a person is righteous and his enemies can find nothing with which to blame him, bearing false witness is a common weapon.
The lies told by a false witness come from the sinful human heart—along with murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, slander, and evil thoughts (Matthew 15:19). Jesus said that man is defiled by these evil things that come from the heart. The only possible cure for an evil heart that bears false witness is to receive a new, pure heart, which can only be given by God (Ezekiel 36:26). When a person is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, he will be like a fresh spring or a fruitful tree or a budding vine, bursting with good things (John 7:38; Psalm 1:1–6; John 15:4–5). The old is gone, and the new takes its place (Ephesians 4:22–24). Those who are in Christ have a new heart that speaks the truth: “Each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor” (Ephesians 4:25). A person who bears false witness is controlled by the flesh rather than by the Spirit of God, and he should repent of that sin and turn to Christ.
Proverbs 6
16There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17Haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.
Let's see.....
https://www.gotquestions.org/false-witness.html
Answer: Bearing false witness is mentioned many times in the Bible, exclusively as something bad. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” is the ninth of the Ten Commandments that Moses brought back with him from his encounter with God on Mount Sinai (Exodus 20:16). False witness, or spreading a false report, is associated with being allied with the wicked (Exodus 23:1), willing to do violence to others (Psalm 27:12), and sowing discord among brothers (Proverbs 6:19). The Bible calls bearing false witness lying (Proverbs 14:5) and compares a man who bears false witness against his neighbor to a violent weapon (Proverbs 25:18). Lies harm people.
A false witness is one who stands up and swears before others that something untrue is true, especially with the intention of hurting someone else or ruining his reputation. This happened to David (Psalm 27:12), Jesus (Matthew 26:60; Mark 14:56), and Paul (Acts 6:13). When the wicked Queen Jezebel wished to procure a vineyard for her sulking husband, King Ahab, she employed two false witnesses. Naboth, the rightful owner of the vineyard, was seated in an honorable place on a day of fasting, but “then two scoundrels came and sat opposite him and brought charges against Naboth before the people, saying, ‘Naboth has cursed both God and the king.’ So they took him outside the city and stoned him to death” (1 Kings 21:13). What the “scoundrels” said against Naboth was absolutely untrue; they were bearing false witness with impunity and with the queen’s blessing. As a result, an innocent man was killed. When a person is righteous and his enemies can find nothing with which to blame him, bearing false witness is a common weapon.
The lies told by a false witness come from the sinful human heart—along with murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, slander, and evil thoughts (Matthew 15:19). Jesus said that man is defiled by these evil things that come from the heart. The only possible cure for an evil heart that bears false witness is to receive a new, pure heart, which can only be given by God (Ezekiel 36:26). When a person is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, he will be like a fresh spring or a fruitful tree or a budding vine, bursting with good things (John 7:38; Psalm 1:1–6; John 15:4–5). The old is gone, and the new takes its place (Ephesians 4:22–24). Those who are in Christ have a new heart that speaks the truth: “Each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor” (Ephesians 4:25). A person who bears false witness is controlled by the flesh rather than by the Spirit of God, and he should repent of that sin and turn to Christ.
Proverbs 6
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17Haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.
I have to come off ignore and kindly and in the right spirit address something in your comments
The WOF movement are very Pentecostal/charismatic in doctrine and distinctive...and all of them believe that you do not work for your salvation, but you can walk away from saving faith....and by doing so become apostate and lose your salvation.
The also believe in speaking in tongues and a host of other things you do not believe..
I do not think I am alone and I think some of us would like to hear from you,why you thought they believed in eternal security like you do, when clearly if you had any real understanding of the movement, you would know they don't....
Going back to ignoring you now...and continue our honorable agreement.
The WOF movement are very Pentecostal/charismatic in doctrine and distinctive...and all of them believe that you do not work for your salvation, but you can walk away from saving faith....and by doing so become apostate and lose your salvation.
The also believe in speaking in tongues and a host of other things you do not believe..
I do not think I am alone and I think some of us would like to hear from you,why you thought they believed in eternal security like you do, when clearly if you had any real understanding of the movement, you would know they don't....
Going back to ignoring you now...and continue our honorable agreement.
I know this is the answer. But, when these hurt persons come to forums to teach out of their bitterness...then things like what is happening here happens.
Is why I said we can come with baggage of the past and it corrupts the well that should be clear and refreshing.
Just trying to make us aware and look for this I guess.
Is why I said we can come with baggage of the past and it corrupts the well that should be clear and refreshing.
Just trying to make us aware and look for this I guess.
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I'm talking about the testing of our faith as in, "is this all really true?" As opposed to "I believe in God, but will he take care of me in this difficult time?" See the difference?
Not trusting God in salvation is different than simply being unable to trust God to get you through a difficult situation. It is the testing of our faith in salvation itself that few seem to have been tested in. And it seems it's these untested people that have a strong OSAS, even angry, defense for OSAS. They've simply never come to the cross roads of turning back to Egypt in an abandonment of the promises altogether. And so they think that means they are "once saved, always saved", little knowing that they are simply untested in the area of returning to the world in a denial of Christ.
Not trusting God in salvation is different than simply being unable to trust God to get you through a difficult situation. It is the testing of our faith in salvation itself that few seem to have been tested in. And it seems it's these untested people that have a strong OSAS, even angry, defense for OSAS. They've simply never come to the cross roads of turning back to Egypt in an abandonment of the promises altogether. And so they think that means they are "once saved, always saved", little knowing that they are simply untested in the area of returning to the world in a denial of Christ.
It is my understanding that the person who acted wrong did apologize. And it's been rejected. It was a serious sin and resulted in divorce if I understood what was being said. And now they are no longer best friends.
I can see why one would be bitter...but that is the responsibility now of the hurt person to deal with, not the hurter. Do you agree?
I can see why one would be bitter...but that is the responsibility now of the hurt person to deal with, not the hurter. Do you agree?
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He said he would continue until the day of christ,
He will not fail so why would you think he could fail?
He will keep his promise, that's why you will NEVER fall away. because it is not up to you, it is up to him. Thats why you are not in danger. if you are truly his child.
Again, if you think you can fall away, who are you trusting?
I hope you can see what I am saying..and why I am saying it.
He will not fail so why would you think he could fail?
He will keep his promise, that's why you will NEVER fall away. because it is not up to you, it is up to him. Thats why you are not in danger. if you are truly his child.
Again, if you think you can fall away, who are you trusting?
I hope you can see what I am saying..and why I am saying it.
