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If He continues to grow my trust, that is the opposite of not continuing to trust, so how is that you think that I think I am in danger?
I said that He has said if we do not continue and grow in trust (abide), we will be cut off. That is what HE has said. And that is why He will not allow me to not grow in trust. He has only ever GROWN my trust and I have seen Him repeatedly keep His promise. Why would I fear that He won't continue to keep His promises to me?
I said that He has said if we do not continue and grow in trust (abide), we will be cut off. That is what HE has said. And that is why He will not allow me to not grow in trust. He has only ever GROWN my trust and I have seen Him repeatedly keep His promise. Why would I fear that He won't continue to keep His promises to me?
This is truth.
I have a question though. I know someone who has been badly hurt by this. A friend who believes this way did something terrible to hurt this one who was hurt. The response to the hurt one was "I don't know why I did it, because this isn't really me".
Now the hurt person cannot let it go and has rejected the truth of security. And bitter.
How does one minister to this?
I have a question though. I know someone who has been badly hurt by this. A friend who believes this way did something terrible to hurt this one who was hurt. The response to the hurt one was "I don't know why I did it, because this isn't really me".
Now the hurt person cannot let it go and has rejected the truth of security. And bitter.
How does one minister to this?
You have a funny way of showing it.
This is an accusation without cause. Nothing of the such was said. Pulled out of thin air.
Another baseless accusation.
If this were true, I would have been banned before FranC was.
Every time I read such against me, it's made up with no posts to use as evidence.
That's called BEARING FALSE WITNESS.
This is what some others were complaining about, when FranC was banned.
FranC was bann innappropriately..... not because she didn't deserve it, because she did.
The inappropriate part was overlooking posts like yours here bearing false witness of others..... possibly 40-60% of this thread, & doing nothing about it.
My so-called 500+ posts won't reflect false-fabrication like this..... go look & see.
This is an accusation without cause. Nothing of the such was said. Pulled out of thin air.
Another baseless accusation.
If this were true, I would have been banned before FranC was.
Every time I read such against me, it's made up with no posts to use as evidence.
That's called BEARING FALSE WITNESS.
This is what some others were complaining about, when FranC was banned.
FranC was bann innappropriately..... not because she didn't deserve it, because she did.
The inappropriate part was overlooking posts like yours here bearing false witness of others..... possibly 40-60% of this thread, & doing nothing about it.
My so-called 500+ posts won't reflect false-fabrication like this..... go look & see.
And not one of those commentators nor commentary's believe in loss of salvation nor is it even implied!
Wow!
Talk about reading comprehension problems. When one is blinded by false assumptions and their false works gospel they see things that simply are not there.
That you would even QUOTE Gill to support your error shows you don't know him whatsoever. he is showing the fact that these were false converts, not true, as the rest.
Unbelievable that people cannot even see what they're supplying as proof doesn't even remotely support their position.
Meggido's post on my screen is 30622.
Your's is 30858
You purposely went back over 200 posts to pick an argument?!?
After all that CRYIN' to say we need to settle down?!?
You're the Op, & you can't let it go!
OVER TWO HUNDRED POSTS!!!
EVERY ONE ELSE ALREADY FORGOT IT..... BUT NOT YOU.
You had to drag it back up to find another member to get banned.
It's not the first time you've done it, either.
I knew you couldn't stop. You don't have any intention to.
Your's is 30858
You purposely went back over 200 posts to pick an argument?!?
After all that CRYIN' to say we need to settle down?!?
You're the Op, & you can't let it go!
OVER TWO HUNDRED POSTS!!!
EVERY ONE ELSE ALREADY FORGOT IT..... BUT NOT YOU.
You had to drag it back up to find another member to get banned.
It's not the first time you've done it, either.
I knew you couldn't stop. You don't have any intention to.
Oh, no! Who else is banned?
Hi EG,
You know, I have listened to many steps to salvation from various teachers and from friends. A dear member of my family once stated that when leading someone to the Lord, they must understand the whole process and began speaking of justification, sanctification, etc.
While all that is going in the person's life through the new birth, I don't believe that they have to understand all of those things when the Spirit of God comes upon them and by faith they repent of their sins.
When I was first saved, all I knew is that I was a sinner and in need of God. I knew I had to repent of my sins out loud and ask the Lord to come into my life. That's it. That's all I knew. I didn't envision a cross, I didn't envision that I was condemned to hell. My understanding was plain, cut and dry. I knew practically nothing at all.
I was like that tax collector asking God to forgive me, a sinner. I didn't even consider my eternal destiny. I didn't know anything of what I was getting into.
I only knew I was a sinner and was convicted that I needed forgiveness from God. That's it. It was later on that I begin to learn all that transpired in the spiritual realm. It all happened secretly, without my knowledge, but God opened me up like a bud beginning to bloom.
I learned later what all was taking place. All I can say is that it was the most beautiful thing that's ever happened in my life and I couldn't quit crying for months and months when I considered all that Jesus did for me.
Oh the power of His name that washed a sinner like me.
You know, I have listened to many steps to salvation from various teachers and from friends. A dear member of my family once stated that when leading someone to the Lord, they must understand the whole process and began speaking of justification, sanctification, etc.
While all that is going in the person's life through the new birth, I don't believe that they have to understand all of those things when the Spirit of God comes upon them and by faith they repent of their sins.
When I was first saved, all I knew is that I was a sinner and in need of God. I knew I had to repent of my sins out loud and ask the Lord to come into my life. That's it. That's all I knew. I didn't envision a cross, I didn't envision that I was condemned to hell. My understanding was plain, cut and dry. I knew practically nothing at all.
I was like that tax collector asking God to forgive me, a sinner. I didn't even consider my eternal destiny. I didn't know anything of what I was getting into.
I only knew I was a sinner and was convicted that I needed forgiveness from God. That's it. It was later on that I begin to learn all that transpired in the spiritual realm. It all happened secretly, without my knowledge, but God opened me up like a bud beginning to bloom.
I learned later what all was taking place. All I can say is that it was the most beautiful thing that's ever happened in my life and I couldn't quit crying for months and months when I considered all that Jesus did for me.
Oh the power of His name that washed a sinner like me.
I think we need to listen to the Spirit on the inside of us as all cases are different and he knows exactly what is needed and also the "timing" of things too. Even if truth is told - some people are just not ready to receive it yet for various reasons.
The Lord knows the timing of things too - it's not good enough to just know the answer. Unless the Lord build the house - we labor in vain that build it.
Bitterness does defile people as Hebrews 12:15 shows.
Knowing how forgiven we are in Christ releases His forgiveness that is in our new creation to manifest. It's a work of grace that only God can give. Without Him we can do nothing.
The Lord knows the timing of things too - it's not good enough to just know the answer. Unless the Lord build the house - we labor in vain that build it.
Bitterness does defile people as Hebrews 12:15 shows.
Knowing how forgiven we are in Christ releases His forgiveness that is in our new creation to manifest. It's a work of grace that only God can give. Without Him we can do nothing.
To fully appreciate 2 Peter 1.12 and other truths about the new man Vs. the old man, you have to also understand the truth man is a 3 part being. This truth is refuted by many and will likely be refuted and debated when I say it here...that does not negate that the Bible proves that every person is a 3 part being, just as God in his image is a 3 part being...This debate is usually because many do not understand the true difference, between, spirit, soul , heart, body, a flesh of a man..
Man is first and foremost a spirit, that has mind, will, emotions, passions[Soul] and lives in a Body suit[Flesh]
The new man/old man is your Spirit...at conversion your spirit is made perfect as it was originally intended to be. This is because along with the free gift of salvation we are also given the free gift of positional righteousness...this means the old man cursed by Adam is now completely reborn as the new man in the second Adam...The old man is not your flesh. The new man spirit is now born again and reconciled back to God through the work of Jesus Christ....
The problem is that our soul[mind, will, emotions, passions] have not been renewed like you spirit....so we must renew our minds to God's word.....the flesh/body will follow whoever is in charge of it....the spirit or the mind....
If the man is born again but has no renewed mind and that mind looks at a woman and lusts after her, the flesh/body will carry it out in the form of adultery or fornication....if the man is born again and has a renewed mind and that mind looks at a woman and the spirit takes the lustful thoughts into captivity and to the obedience in Christ, the body is killed/crucified to lust, fornication and adultery because the mind has been renewed and is following the spirit, not the flesh/body
As we spiritually mature as 2 Peter 1.12 tells us we will not stumble....stumble means SIN.....
This is a very hard truth for people to get, because of poor teaching that we constantly fight 2 natures and have 2 natures.....if you have 2 old dogs fighting in you...you need to GET SAVED....the Bible does not teach we have 2 natures....we have one and that is the divine nature we are born again with in our spirit at conversion...but we must renew the mind, which will help crucify the flesh and its passions...
I am not attmpeting to cause division or single anyone particular person out with my next statement, but it has to be said...
The reason why people are taught they have 2 natures is because of false and very poor teaching of the Romans 1-8...especially with Romans 7....Many miss something about most of Romans, it was written to the Jews and Chapter 7 is all about being freed from the law...Romans 2 says gentiles were not under any law...so how people can teach that gentiles have 2 natures fighting in them in Chapter 7, when it was written to Jews under the law is beyond me....Romans 7 is foundational for gentiles to show us we have a better covenant....and that we do not wrestle as the Jews did with the old man man of sin on them...which was the law...The key verse of Romans 7 is Vs 6.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
Others will claim Paul called himself a chief sinner in the present tense, and that justifies them to call themselves sinners saved by grace...but that is also wrong....
The old man and the flesh are not the same...the old man[condemned spirit] was buried with Christ and then raised into newness of life[new spirit] just as Romans 6 tells us it was...
Man is first and foremost a spirit, that has mind, will, emotions, passions[Soul] and lives in a Body suit[Flesh]
The new man/old man is your Spirit...at conversion your spirit is made perfect as it was originally intended to be. This is because along with the free gift of salvation we are also given the free gift of positional righteousness...this means the old man cursed by Adam is now completely reborn as the new man in the second Adam...The old man is not your flesh. The new man spirit is now born again and reconciled back to God through the work of Jesus Christ....
The problem is that our soul[mind, will, emotions, passions] have not been renewed like you spirit....so we must renew our minds to God's word.....the flesh/body will follow whoever is in charge of it....the spirit or the mind....
If the man is born again but has no renewed mind and that mind looks at a woman and lusts after her, the flesh/body will carry it out in the form of adultery or fornication....if the man is born again and has a renewed mind and that mind looks at a woman and the spirit takes the lustful thoughts into captivity and to the obedience in Christ, the body is killed/crucified to lust, fornication and adultery because the mind has been renewed and is following the spirit, not the flesh/body
As we spiritually mature as 2 Peter 1.12 tells us we will not stumble....stumble means SIN.....
This is a very hard truth for people to get, because of poor teaching that we constantly fight 2 natures and have 2 natures.....if you have 2 old dogs fighting in you...you need to GET SAVED....the Bible does not teach we have 2 natures....we have one and that is the divine nature we are born again with in our spirit at conversion...but we must renew the mind, which will help crucify the flesh and its passions...
I am not attmpeting to cause division or single anyone particular person out with my next statement, but it has to be said...
The reason why people are taught they have 2 natures is because of false and very poor teaching of the Romans 1-8...especially with Romans 7....Many miss something about most of Romans, it was written to the Jews and Chapter 7 is all about being freed from the law...Romans 2 says gentiles were not under any law...so how people can teach that gentiles have 2 natures fighting in them in Chapter 7, when it was written to Jews under the law is beyond me....Romans 7 is foundational for gentiles to show us we have a better covenant....and that we do not wrestle as the Jews did with the old man man of sin on them...which was the law...The key verse of Romans 7 is Vs 6.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
Others will claim Paul called himself a chief sinner in the present tense, and that justifies them to call themselves sinners saved by grace...but that is also wrong....
The old man and the flesh are not the same...the old man[condemned spirit] was buried with Christ and then raised into newness of life[new spirit] just as Romans 6 tells us it was...
Walk on in your Lord with the knowledge you have. All is well....
He loves you and has provided all things for all of us to grow up in Him. We can trust Him as we are in His hands and He said - none do I lose.
Whenever we try in our own strength to do things - we will fail but our faith that is in our hearts - in the new creation in Christ can never fail because we are one spirit with the Lord forever - just like Jesus said.
In knowing this "security" we have in Christ we can grow in true "maturity".
. He loves you and has provided all things for all of us to grow up in Him. We can trust Him as we are in His hands and He said - none do I lose.
Whenever we try in our own strength to do things - we will fail but our faith that is in our hearts - in the new creation in Christ can never fail because we are one spirit with the Lord forever - just like Jesus said.
In knowing this "security" we have in Christ we can grow in true "maturity".
"I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life."1Jn5:13
“To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that :fadeth not away:, reserved in heaven for you.” 1 Peter 1:4
"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart!
I have overcome the world." John16:33
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I disagree with your last statement. We all are tested in situations. And all are striking at our faith. Faith increases by seeing the Lord move in the situation. Many times the enemy tried to take me out. I've been close to death several times.
Prophets have even spoken this to me...but the Lord is the One who takes care of His own and nothing stops the believer from fulfilling the reason why we all are born. Even what looks like premature death.
What I mean is that what might look like premature death is not.
Prophets have even spoken this to me...but the Lord is the One who takes care of His own and nothing stops the believer from fulfilling the reason why we all are born. Even what looks like premature death.
What I mean is that what might look like premature death is not.
Me get proof? I'm, still waiting on yours, something you will never find.
The comments you've supplied actually go against your teaching, they're hardly proof, nor do you know Gill.
He's Reformed, served as Pastor prior to, um, Spurgeon, and being Reformed believes and supports OSAS/Perseverance of the Saints. Just like, you know, his predecessor, Spurgeon too preached this glorious truth.
I find it rather humorous that you've used this, teaching that is against you, for "proof!" LOL!!!!!
You remind me of this:
The fact you don't know this, nor can you actually understand that what he had written is against your teaching is absolutely remarkable!!!
Get some comprehension my man, you've failed here.
The comments you've supplied actually go against your teaching, they're hardly proof, nor do you know Gill.
He's Reformed, served as Pastor prior to, um, Spurgeon, and being Reformed believes and supports OSAS/Perseverance of the Saints. Just like, you know, his predecessor, Spurgeon too preached this glorious truth.
I find it rather humorous that you've used this, teaching that is against you, for "proof!" LOL!!!!!
You remind me of this:
The fact you don't know this, nor can you actually understand that what he had written is against your teaching is absolutely remarkable!!!
Get some comprehension my man, you've failed here.
Did Satan's choice override God Choice for Satan?
I am going to go real deep here, because people need it...now the infantile spiritually immature mind will scream that this is not a true coma prison, because Satan was an angel....and God had no love for angels.....I do not think for a second that dog will hunt.....why God loves all things he has created....
So you tell me...Did God 's love for Satan keep Satan from having iniquity found in his heart and ultimately keep him from making the choice to exalt himself over God? When this was discovered what did God do?
Satan fell....and became the god of this world....
God's love is constant, but we have choice to receive it and keep receiving it...if we choose to harden our hearts and become a god unto our self, like Satan, then God will do what?
This is apostasy and only believers fall into apostasy...