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Dan gave the verse earlier: John 6:64b

For Jesus had known from the beginning which
of them did not believe and who would betray him.

Please note..

YOU used the term
THEM

To which I was responding...

sigh...
 
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See....my point is made...I can directly quote scripture and you reject and make snide remarks.....just another working for troll....many are noticing this about you.....good luck with the working for lot.....
You quoted scripture???
Chapter and verse???
 
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You're getting complicated!!
When I get home.
faith is the evidence of things not seen,the substance of things hoped for,when I speak of was my post "All me" I refer to that though I be the one pushing buttons on my phone I am not alone,there is one whom leads me to what to say and brings to reminder scriptures I have read,letting go of what one knows and making room for the holy spirit is more enlightening than what any mere teacher upon this earth can teach.
 
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stonesoffire

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I agree it is the history of those behaviors that makes it difficult and it is pointless to interact

When someone continually reverts to overused cliches and slurs that really have no meaning but are used as derogatory descriptors, like greasy grace, easy believism and hypergracers then there is no discussion to be had :(

How about holy rollers? Shoes on the other foot now, huh?
 
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well that explains alot then,anyone can simply "read" the bible and go and just claim to be self approved but to "Truly" understand God's word you need God for the interpretation of his word which is not limited to simply the bible but what God has spoken,"for in the beginning was the word and the word was God" it's easy to just,read,hear,then teach,but if you don't have God by way of the holy spirit for answers then you've still yet to learn God's word,you've barely begun learning.
Well said...

We are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to reveal Jesus to us in scripture as Mary as dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.

The disciples lived with Jesus for over 3 years and He told them in some form or other 17 times that He was going to die - but they still didn't understand it.

Reading the scriptures through an "Old Covenant lens" as Paul talked about in 2 Cor. 3:14-15 will always miss the spiritual realities that are in the New Covenant. You can't mix the 2 of them just as Jesus talked about in the old wine skins and new wine - old shirt and new patch.

To read the scriptures with the natural mind brings strange doctrines of self-works for salvation, observing days and feasts instead of Christ Himself and things like these.

It creates "popes" and religion and a humanistic approach to the scriptures and creates a D.I.Y. self-righteousness and traditions of men which actually nullify the grace of Christ from operating in our lives like it was meant to.

Great post.

Colossians 2:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world,
rather than according to Christ.
 
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stonesoffire

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POST #28601


See the part in red? He quoted one of my posts with PennEd. That means all of G777's post is about me.

Here's my post.....




I'm the only one in this thread who has said this to anyone.

This is against the rules.
No, Stephen

He was responding to me about the post made concerning Cee. Why do I feel like I'm gossiping?
 

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There not lies from my own mind i can assure you of that... just a few weeks ago the day befor that madman from wales who drove all the way down to london and drove into a crowd of muslims killing some of them.. i was told about it the day befor,,,,,, i was told there is going to be a terroist attack in london... i was so convinced i told all you guys.... and right just befor i told you guys it happened straight away.. again just two days ago the day befor the latest terroist attack in barcelona where 33 innocent people where mowed down by another vehicle.. i was told befor it happend that i was going to see another terroist attack today on the news and people where going to be run over... I got home that same day switched the tv on .... Guess what yup another attack... i actually broke down in tears witht the trauma of it all... Niether one of theese preminitions i had where prophesies but a chain of demons that our in the know about whats going to happen and get pleasure in telling you...


I cant tell you how scared i am and was can you imagine how hard my life is... its happened to me on all the terror attacks that have taking place by jihadists... befor its happened i have been told ,,, that was why i told you guys the last time befor it happened.... the reason why i couldnt tell you this time because i was at work when i got told..... i came home and prayed to God saying please dont let this be real but sure enough like all the others it was... i am super scared as i type this right now...
I know someone you can talk to about this Jim. I have no knowledge to give about this. If you want I can give you his name by pm. He's on Facebook too. Are you?

also, he's a minister from Tampa, fl. Not just some fly by night off the wall type.
 
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That is not what Scripture says at all. Jesus indicated who was going to betray Him by giving the bread to Judas when those with Him asked who was going to betray Him. Your assertion is fanciful but completely without merit.

Matthew 26
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And as they did eat, he said,
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Verily I say
unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

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And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began
every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?
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And he answered and said,
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He that dippeth his
hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.
You're getting the beginning when Judas was saved,
with the end when he was not anymore because HE DID NOT TRUST Jesus.

Sorry, if I already posted this to you.
It seemed important to repeat it.
 
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Amen....Judas was never saved......he is a go to guy that the workers for and sinless perfectionists like to use to try and prove the loss of salvation.....ignorantly I might add!
Jesus fails again....
 

stonesoffire

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This is absolutely correct.

We have posters here who, by twisting scripture, end up contradicting themselves.

When it suits them they will say that Jesus cannot fail in saving them and that Jesus does it all and they don't even have to do anything.

Then, when it suits them Jesus becomes rather unable to even notice that Judas is not saved and sends him out with the other 11 to do God's work.

Incredible !

One should stick to scripture which is very plain and understandable in order to avoid these contradictions.
I challenge you Fran, to find one post that says what you just said. I could call this lies, but I really try to be polite. Get my drift?
 

stonesoffire

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Those who do works in His name are not clean...you say?

Not even the ones Jesus Himself picks?
So now you're saying Jesus makes mistakes???

He sent a non-believer to preach the word of God?
Joh 13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

read the next verse yourself. You should really try reading the Bible more. Less thinking what it might say.
 
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no Jesus didn't make a mistake he chose Judas Iscariot(there is another Judas for those who don't know)just like the other disciples but he was aware that Judas Iscariot would betray him,and knew satan would use Judas Iscariot,but as dcontroversal pointed out there are times that point to why Judas Iscariot could be tempted by satan to betray Jesus,the simplest being,money,it's not as if to say that Judas didn't follow Jesus devoutly like the other disciples he was simply the most "vulnerable" to satan is what is to be understood,for remember after betraying Jesus he "realized" what he had done and threw the money back to the Pharisees that he accepted to betray Jesus,though Jesus himself said"it were better that such a man not have been born" concerning whom would betray him speaking of Judas Iscariot,despite that it was meant to be that one of his disciples would betray him.
Yes Joe.

But everything to which you're alluding above happened at the END of Jesus' ministry.
As you must surely know, His ministry lasted about 3 1/2 years. Not one month.

The sentence of yours above, which I highlighted, is Mathew 26:24
Jesus and the Apostles were at the Last Supper.

It was the END of Jesus' ministry, not the beginning.
Of course by the end, Jesus knew Judas would betray him.

But all through the previous 3 1/2 years Jesus treated Judas as He treated the other 11 Apostels.
EVEN SENDING HIM OUT TO PREACH GOD'S WORK.
Mathew 10:1-15

I repeat:
HOW could an unbeliever preach God's word and be sent out to do so by JESUS???
 
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A more accurate question would have been: who are THEY? But you are one of THEM. Perhaps you misunderstand Scripture so completely that YOU think Jesus makes mistakes. A proper understanding of Scripture would never entertain such an idea.
THIS is what you posted in no. 627:

Dan gave the verse earlier: John 6:64b

For Jesus had known from the beginning which
of them did not believe and who would betray him.


So, who are THEM???
 

stonesoffire

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Well, did Jesus know or not Fran? Who's right? You or Dcon, and Magenta?
 

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Yes Joe.

But everything to which you're alluding above happened at the END of Jesus' ministry.
As you must surely know, His ministry lasted about 3 1/2 years. Not one month.

The sentence of yours above, which I highlighted, is Mathew 26:24
Jesus and the Apostles were at the Last Supper.

It was the END of Jesus' ministry, not the beginning.
Of course by the end, Jesus knew Judas would betray him.

But all through the previous 3 1/2 years Jesus treated Judas as He treated the other 11 Apostels.
EVEN SENDING HIM OUT TO PREACH GOD'S WORK.
Mathew 10:1-15

I repeat:
HOW could an unbeliever preach God's word and be sent out to do so by JESUS???
Phil 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

Happens all the time.

Mt 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Jesus said that evil men would do good works. These works are of no eternal value but men do them to impress others and provide a pretense of righteousness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger