"Not by works" - false!
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1) Your (collective) views are that you cannot lose your salvation.
2) Which means that if I confess and believe in Christ at any point in the past, AND THEN convert to a works based gospel, then according to you (collectively) I cannot lose my salvation.
3) So why do you preach AGAINST a works based salvation TO CHRISTIANS ?
You cant have it both ways.
2) Which means that if I confess and believe in Christ at any point in the past, AND THEN convert to a works based gospel, then according to you (collectively) I cannot lose my salvation.
3) So why do you preach AGAINST a works based salvation TO CHRISTIANS ?
You cant have it both ways.
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Praise God I found out 28 yrs ago....that I was born again......that can never ever be taken from a believers heart.
But once I was a new babe....that was a battle ground for the enemy...he drove me crazy.....God has silenced him now in my mind about being OSAS....Praise God.
Have a nice day.
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1. My belief is that living faith is required for salvation
2 my belief is that a person that has living faith would NEVER revert to works. Only a dog returns to their vomit. A dog was never saved they continued to be a dog Which is why he returned to what he really was
Again. When your ready to discuss what we really believe feel free. Until then there can be no honest discussion
2 my belief is that a person that has living faith would NEVER revert to works. Only a dog returns to their vomit. A dog was never saved they continued to be a dog Which is why he returned to what he really was
Again. When your ready to discuss what we really believe feel free. Until then there can be no honest discussion
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Topic: We are saved by works
Premise1: Work is defined by the dictionary as an "activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result."
Premise2: Man's faith comes from himself, not God
Conclusion: Believing Christ died and rose from the dead (faith) is a work for it is the "mental effort" of Christians done to "achieve the purpose" of salvation and obedience to God. Thus all those of as defined in premised 2 logically are of the opinion that "we are saved by works".
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is [a]credited to him as righteousness (right standing with God).
Romans 4:5 does not define the word WORK; the dictionary is the authority of the meanings of words and therefore Premise1 must be true or there is no authority for the meaning of words and communication breaks down.
Romans 4:5 says Believing is Not a work to which I am in agreement. Romans 4:5 does not tell one why "believing is not a work".
I submit that believing is not a work because it is GOD that causes one to believe.
God does not contradict himself. He says believing is not a WORK and He says we are saved by BELIEVING which is a work by definition.
Premise1: Work is defined by the dictionary as an "activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result."
Premise2: Man's faith comes from himself, not God
Conclusion: Believing Christ died and rose from the dead (faith) is a work for it is the "mental effort" of Christians done to "achieve the purpose" of salvation and obedience to God. Thus all those of as defined in premised 2 logically are of the opinion that "we are saved by works".
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is [a]credited to him as righteousness (right standing with God).
Romans 4:5 does not define the word WORK; the dictionary is the authority of the meanings of words and therefore Premise1 must be true or there is no authority for the meaning of words and communication breaks down.
Romans 4:5 says Believing is Not a work to which I am in agreement. Romans 4:5 does not tell one why "believing is not a work".
I submit that believing is not a work because it is GOD that causes one to believe.
God does not contradict himself. He says believing is not a WORK and He says we are saved by BELIEVING which is a work by definition.