"Not by works" - false!
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He did to me to...
We are to walk in peace with all men , that does not in no way mean we compromise on Scripture , but are attitudes are to be good towards others , and I found my attitude to be stinky in places , and that laid heavy on my spirit , so I sought to make peace , and praise God I do not carry that burden no more...
...xox...
We are to walk in peace with all men , that does not in no way mean we compromise on Scripture , but are attitudes are to be good towards others , and I found my attitude to be stinky in places , and that laid heavy on my spirit , so I sought to make peace , and praise God I do not carry that burden no more...
...xox...
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I would refine your assertions.
1) Calvinism believes that the FAITH of all those who are born again (regenerated) will never cease. All will be saved, none lost. Technically, you are correct when you say Calvinism believes one must "continue to believe in order to be saved"; but this belief/faith comes from and is maintained by God and not the person....thus it can never be lost.
2) Calvinism believes that all those who are born again (regenerated) will show evidence (WORKS) of salvation. WORKS are a result of salvation and does not lead to salvation or maintain ones salvation. (It is a subtle, but important difference.)
1) Calvinism believes that the FAITH of all those who are born again (regenerated) will never cease. All will be saved, none lost. Technically, you are correct when you say Calvinism believes one must "continue to believe in order to be saved"; but this belief/faith comes from and is maintained by God and not the person....thus it can never be lost.
2) Calvinism believes that all those who are born again (regenerated) will show evidence (WORKS) of salvation. WORKS are a result of salvation and does not lead to salvation or maintain ones salvation. (It is a subtle, but important difference.)
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you see, right here, " must continue to believe ...., AND.
the " and " that you add is works salvationism .
one is saved by belief. only. no " and ".
oh, as far as making it personal, it is not.
but, it does tick me off when folks flat out lie about what it takes to be saved.
like your " believe, AND " lie.
the " and " that you add is works salvationism .
one is saved by belief. only. no " and ".
oh, as far as making it personal, it is not.
but, it does tick me off when folks flat out lie about what it takes to be saved.
like your " believe, AND " lie.
Sounds like you may be more interested in ASSURANCE OF SALVATION then ETERNAL SECURITY.
If so, try this URL: https://www.gotquestions.org/assurance-salvation.html
If so, try this URL: https://www.gotquestions.org/assurance-salvation.html
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@gb9, read this please:
As you can see, Calvinism believes you must always believe, and always live a holy life, or you were never saved to begin with, not because those things are works that earn you salvation.
My belief is similar except that I believe a believer can indeed stop believing. But I maintain along with them that the mark of the true believer is that, obviously, he is presently continuing to believe/trust in Christ, and he is living a changed/changing life. And that neither of those things earn salvation, but are merely evidences of salvation.
As you can see, Calvinism believes you must always believe, and always live a holy life, or you were never saved to begin with, not because those things are works that earn you salvation.
My belief is similar except that I believe a believer can indeed stop believing. But I maintain along with them that the mark of the true believer is that, obviously, he is presently continuing to believe/trust in Christ, and he is living a changed/changing life. And that neither of those things earn salvation, but are merely evidences of salvation.
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If OSAS was true, there would many that would be saved.
But our Lord plainly said that many are called, but few are chosen.
Few will enter the narrow way of keeping his body in subjection, mortifying the deeds of the body, suffering in the flesh, ceasing from sin, taking up his cross, letting others to smite them, letting themselves to be defrauded...etc.
Many love the wide gate where none of the things I mentioned, which are scriptural, matter one bit.
But our Lord plainly said that many are called, but few are chosen.
Few will enter the narrow way of keeping his body in subjection, mortifying the deeds of the body, suffering in the flesh, ceasing from sin, taking up his cross, letting others to smite them, letting themselves to be defrauded...etc.
Many love the wide gate where none of the things I mentioned, which are scriptural, matter one bit.
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Sure you want us to believe that when the person stops believing in their salvation, God imputes back sin to the person.
So the person once declared innocent is now once again guilty ....
because the frailty of man in your book supersedes the Eternal Status of Justified declared by God.
The person declared INNOCENT of all charges by grace through faith and is indeed INNOCENT ... belief in our innocence is not what keeps us saved, that quite honestly is absurd.
So the person once declared innocent is now once again guilty ....
because the frailty of man in your book supersedes the Eternal Status of Justified declared by God.
The person declared INNOCENT of all charges by grace through faith and is indeed INNOCENT ... belief in our innocence is not what keeps us saved, that quite honestly is absurd.