My Walk with Christ, as an Evangelical Christian.

mustaphadrink · Sep 4, 2022

I don't know if you realize that one of the reasons we have places like this is due to the church not practicing the priesthood of all believers. Most churches practice the priesthood of some believers but not all. What that means is that there is an untapped source of spiritual guidance and advice in the church that one man cannot replicate.

If you are being the Christian you should be, you should not be sitting on the premises, you should be standing on the promises. Unfortunately, too many churches prefer you to sit on the premises only. This can produce the mentality that it is his job. that is what we pay him for so let him get on with it. Particularly so with mega-churches. When they sing "O come let us adore him" I get the feeling they are referring to the celebrity preacher.

it is a fact that everything has to go somewhere. If the door is closed here, it will push open a door there etc. A lot of the stuff written here is complete rubbish but what can you expect when you are being denied what is rightfully yours?

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

Thewatchman said:

Non-denominational Evangelical Christian.

Okey, will be happy to. The Antichrist is a Dictator Controlled by Satan himself. Were do we find him First mentioned in the Bible?

Daniel 9:27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate (NASB: Lockman)

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

See why I like the HCSB the best. It makes it MORE understandable, without losing the REVERENCE FOR GOD. He is talking about the Third TEMPLE in Dan. 9:27. Yes, there are other interpretations, but I will give you mine. What makes the Temple more defiled that anything else ? ? ? A dead body in the TEMPLE. That is why the High Priest had a rope tied to his ankle, before he ever went int to the Holy of Holies, because if He died in there, they had to drag him out QUICKLY. Yes, the BIBLE does not tell us what the Abomination of Desolation actually is. But here is my educated Guess of what Antichrist puts on the wing of the TEMPLE, demanding to be worshipped or else.

Now I must back up a little bit. Do you know and believe the 144,000 are ALL JEWS, 100% percent of them. AND THERE IS NOT ONE OF THE CHURCH, THAT ARE PART OF THE 144,000. Why? God deals with ISRAEL a little different than the Church, and with ISRAEL his Chosen Nation. The Church Gets their Glorified Bodies at the RAPTURE, AND the 144,000 gets Sealed by the Holy Spirit IN THEIR MORTAL BODIES, to repopulate ISRAEL IN THE MELLINIUM. THERE IS NO HUMAN BEINGS LEFT in ISRAEL AFTER WWWIII, AND THE LORD'S RETURN TO DO BATTLE WITH THE NATIONS THAT ATTACKED ISRAEL, EXCEPT THE 144,000. After HE calls us to heaven Israel starts a Peace Treaty for Seven years, that Treaty was for a WEEK OF YEARS that Israel has signed an Peace Agreement with the Antichrist. So where is the Church ? ? ? We are invited to heaven 3.5 years earlier, For the Wedding of the LAMB.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (ESV)
9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Revelation 3:10 (HCSB)
10 Because you have kept My command to endure, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is going to come over the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

We do not Dwell on the Earth any longer.

Does the Bible say when the Calling Out of the Bride will be ? ? ?

No, but it could be the Next Biblical Event Fulfilled. My guess it will happen just ahead of Rev. Chapter 4. and Rev. Chapter 5:5.

Revelation 5:5 (HCSB)
5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Stop crying. Look! The Lion from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has been victorious so that He may open the scroll and its seven seals.” SEE, THE CHURCH ALREADY KNOWS.

Do you know there is not one single verse that Mentions the word CHURCH, after Rev. 3:14.
AND None Mentioning the Word Churches between Rev. 4:1 and Rev. 22:15, Not until verse 22:16 is CHURCHES mentioned again.
Why?
We are in Heaven for the WEDDING OF THE LAMB, that WHOLE WEEK OF YEARS, when GOD Pours out HIS Wrath on the Earth.

Matthew 25:13 (NCV)
13 “So always be ready, because you don’t know the day or the hour the Son of Man will come.

I know I am going to be there for the Wedding of the Lamb, because the INVITE is already in my HEART.

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

mustaphadrink said:

Non-denominational Evangelical Christian.

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

mustaphadrink said:

I don't know if you realize that one of the reasons we have places like this is due to the church not practicing the priesthood of all believers. Most churches practice the priesthood of some believers but not all. What that means is that there is an untapped source of spiritual guidance and advice in the church that one man cannot replicate.

If you are being the Christian you should be, you should not be sitting on the premises, you should be standing on the promises. Unfortunately, too many churches prefer you to sit on the premises only. This can produce the mentality that it is his job. that is what we pay him for so let him get on with it. Particularly so with mega-churches. When they sing "O come let us adore him" I get the feeling they are referring to the celebrity preacher.

it is a fact that everything has to go somewhere. If the door is closed here, it will push open a door there etc. A lot of the stuff written here is complete rubbish but what can you expect when you are being denied what is rightfully yours?

No bickering or backbiting. What Denomination are you?

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

Thewatchman said:

Non-denominational Evangelical Christian.

I am an Air Force Veteran, I am 73, and have had 9 strokes, and still here, Fly the Flag 24/7, and HE put on my heart about a week ago, in the middle of the NIGHT.

mustaphadrink · Sep 4, 2022

VCO said:

I don't do bickering or backbiting because I am autistic.

I belong to His Church.

mustaphadrink · Sep 4, 2022

VCO said:

I did not know that there were non-denominational Evangelical Christians in scripture.

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

mustaphadrink said:

Non-denominational Evangelical Christian.

Why are you acting so spiritually immature ?

No Bickering. ZERO TOLERANCE on that.

That ONE.

I only tolerate 2 times, than then put you on my IGNORE list.

Titus 3:10 (NIV)
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.

mustaphadrink · Sep 4, 2022

VCO said:

Why are you acting so spiritually immature?

Please note I am autistic so I don't bicker.

Dirtman · Sep 4, 2022

VCO said:

Why do you put this on nearly every post?
I support the idea of simple boiled down faith statements because they are your spiritual lens through which you see the world and that is a good thing to have. As long as they are derived from the Bible. Which yours seem to be. I have been to busy to look at them again. I am sorry for that.
Also for your sake; there are two guys on here who insist on arguing with you. Just ignore them. Its not possible to have a reasonable conversation with either.

Lucy-Pevensie · Sep 4, 2022

I learned in that 3rd Temple News thread that VCO has a different idea about threads than most. He sees this his thread to dominate.

More of a monologue. It isn't really open for discussion in the way we would expect.

In the 3rd Temple News zone, dozens of members were told to "get your own thread". That was why I stopped looking at it a couple of years ago. From the tone, I expect another little thread dictatorship has started here. I hope he enjoys himself.

presidente · Sep 4, 2022

If I were of a mind to put together a church doctrinal statement, that might actually serve to exclude some from fellowship (or self-select out), I don't think I would get as specific on Millennialism. I accept pre-mil, but I wouldn't want that to be a test of fellowship. It is also odd to me that the statement mentions this, but no specific mention of water baptism at all. It says the Holy Spirit baptizes the believer into the body of Christ.

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

Non-denominational Evangelical Christian.

mustaphadrink said:

Non-denominational Evangelical Christian.

How is that loving attitude that Christ wants in us ? ? ?

Where is your Love ? ? ?

Titus 3:10 (NIV)
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.

1 Corinthians 13:3-7 (NCV)
3 I may give away everything I have, and I may even give my body as an offering to be burned.
But I gain nothing if I do not have love.
4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, and it is not proud.
5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done.
6 Love is not happy with evil but is happy with the truth.
7 Love patiently accepts all things. It always trusts, always hopes, and always remains strong.

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

Dirtman said:

Non-denominational Evangelical Christian.

I am not asking that Put your Church Name there, but just the Denomination, or lack of it there.

I am hoping to everyone will get used doing the Same. WHY ? ? ?

I figure that if you feel a like an Ambassador of your Denomination, you will strive to be more Christ Like hear.

Especially HIS LOVE HE has put in you, you will want to show it towards others.

We have one here that never portrays that attitude.

Also it would remove those that want to disguise their Denomination, then just stir up everything, Trouble, Arguments, and Bash other believers with insults, mix in false doctrines, and the like, such as Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses, and the Like. THEY KNOW IF THEY ADMIT WHO THEY ARE, We will IGNORE them until, Management decides to Ban them.

PLUS, if they use the denomination as an intro, it helps jog my memory which Subjects I need to stay away from, and which are okey, but be careful, because Arguments among Christians it the DEVIL'S WORK. Here is an example: If I know that a person that I am about to Post, is a Pentecostal, I would Never say "I believe the Modern Day Tongues, is nothing more than a Counterfeit, because it is not being done the way the Apostles did it." That would be rude, if I said it that way. If he asked politely, "Why don't you believe tongues in today?" Yes, I would not use the first response, I would use: "If it was done the way the Apostles did it, but it is different. The Apostles did it when there was one or more in the Church that that spoke the language, so they could verify the message. No, we do not believe in a heavenly language." In other words, tone it down a bit, because to a Pentecostal, it is VERY IMPORTANT TO HIM. If he insists to go on, then I would say, "We believe the Tongues were to valiant that the NEW TESTAMENT, actually Came from GOD, and when the N.T. was complete, TONGUES Ceased." Please do not be offended, but that is what we believe.

1 Corinthians 13:8 (HCSB)
8 Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for languages, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end.

Yes, in a way it is an EXPERIMENT on how to keep everyone loving each other, and NOT ARGUING.

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

Non-denominational Evangelical Christian.

I have also seen management Ban People who do not believe Jesus is GOD, the Holy Trinity.

Anyhow all of them REFUSE to tell us what Denomination they call Home. If this Experiment Works I will suggest it to management.

I for one, have no objection to what type of Church I go to. Those, who hide there identity, I get very suspicious of what they are up to. Even the un-Church, and say: Un-Churched, but I know in my Heart I am a Christian.

I will not spend a Couple hours trying to give you all, an Idea, of what all the Lord has enabled me to do, sense HE SAVED ME.

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

Non-denominational Evangelical Christian.

After I was saved, I noticed that I grew Spiritually as I studied. I argued with GOD about quitting Smoking Cigarettes. I would say, "Why should I quit, as long as I enjoy it.", that after I had watched my Aunt Die of Lung Cancer at the age of 29. So I got up one morning, sitting on the edge of the bed, reached over for my pack of Cigarettes and lighter. Took ONE PUFF, and IT TASTED HORRIBLE. At a thought flashed through my Mind, "WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE NOW, DUMMY!" That was my last Cigarette. Yes, it smelled good to me every time one lite up around me, for about a year, but then one day I realized I could smell a Dirty Ash Tray, clear across the room. I knew I was delivered from cigarette smoking.

About that time, I was introduced to Bobbi, who loved the LORD, by a mutual friend, and we started dating. About 9 months Later, we married, and I was married to Bobbi 36.5 years before she called Home by the Lord, due to a heart attack, Nov. 2015. So shortly after we Married, still going to the Lutheran Church, my wife and I grew Tired of 15 minutes sermons. So we decided to find a good BIBLE TEACHING CHURCH. AND yes, after about a year, we found one.

The first church we tried was a local Baptist Church. They had a Guest Missionary teach the Sermon that Sunday, and he was not like Dr. John MacArthur, on Christian Radio, who I listened to every week day night. BUT THEN the missionary at the end of his SERMON, he absolutely Shocked me. In Closing, he SAID: "The Reason I serve the Lord on the Mission Field, is because I do not want the little cabin on the bend of the Crystal river, that runs out back of the Throne of Grace. I WANT THE BIGGEST FANCIEST MANSION ON THE STREET OF GOLD." My mouth fell option, as I staired in disbelieve of what I have Just heard. I have told the Lord numerous times, I will take that cabin on the Chrystal River, I just want to be their with YOU.

Now I want to show you something since my wife was called Home seven years ago. No making fun of me, because it is too Precious to me. I know it will be the way HE WANTS HEAVEN, but some times I can see her moving around in the house, and it makes me feel Closer to my Bobbi. Yes I miss her dearly, and am Crying as I type this.

Yes, I miss her dearly. And I know she is waiting for me to come Home, too.

I have to go outside to chop some weeds, as the trash pick up is tomorrow. I will have to finish this Tomorrow, on the 3rd installment.

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

mustaphadrink said:

Non-denominational Evangelical Christian.

You know that is not what I meant. What Denomination do you identify with ? ? ?

And yes you do bicker and try to argue. You are not fooling anyone.

Reread that Post of HOW WE ARE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

presidente said:

Non-denominational Evangelical Christian.

Here is Why Water Baptism is never Mentioned. When do you think a person is Saved, at Christian Water Baptism ? ? ?

If so, you are not EVEN CLOSE.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us- not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this Spirit on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

Surely you did not think you was saved by Christian Water Baptism ? ? ?

It says were were Saved before the beginning of time. How is that Possible ? ? ?

Matthew 19:26 (ESV)
26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Romans 8:28-30 (ESV)
28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. {Humbling isn't it.}

Here is the Baptism that Saves:

1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

We were all, including the THIEF ON THE CROSS, Immersed into the Spiritual Body of Christ, BEFORE TIME BEGAIN.

What is the Purpose for Christian Water Baptism. That Happens after we have Surrendered to HIM out pure LOVE for HIM, and is Part of our Walk with Christ.

1 John 2:6 (HCSB)
6 The one who says he remains in Him should walk just as He walked.

presidente · Sep 4, 2022

VCO said:

I wonder why you make such huge leaps in assumptions here and then post a whole post based on that. I think mentioning water baptism is more of a priority for doctrine when compared to interpretations of the millennium.

But Peter also says '...baptism now saves you, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God.

Peter said to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Paul, preaching to an audience and sharing his testimony tells them that Ananias told him to be baptized and washing away his sin, calling upon the name of the Lord.

It makes sense to generally take references to baptism as referring to water baptism unless context indicates otherwise, since they did baptize with water. Peter said, "Who should forbid water....' and Philip went down into the water after the eunuch suggested he be baptized.

Paul says that we are baptized and raised with Jesus in baptism through faith in the operation of God who raised Him from the dead.

Supposing you are right about which phrase or phrases 'before time began' refers back to, this is written from a different perspective. God could call us before time began, but then baptism can 'now save you' when it happens.

I'm no Greek expert, but looking at the verb tenses in an interlinear, I am inclined to think that 'before time began' goes with 'purpose and grace having been given to us in Christ Jesus'.

I wonder how you think this passage proves whatever point you are trying to make. Do you think allowing oneself to be baptized is doing the type of 'work' Paul is referring to her? Do you think believing and confession is a 'work'?

VCO · Sep 4, 2022

Dirtman said:

I found another Statement of Faith, that is Less Wordy, and much simpler to understand, as I only had to look up one word in a Dictionary. This vastly is an emprovement of a Statement of Faith, that I Personally looked for when we were moving about ever 2 years. I wish they had used baptized by the Spirit, and not baptized with the Holy Spirit, but I am satisfied that they meant the same thing.

This comes from Chapel Hill Bible Church in Durham, N.C., and they should be complemented on a well thought out Statement of Faith, that is easy to read, understandable, and above all SIMPLE.

QUOTE:
STATEMENT OF FAITH
A. THE HOLY SCRIPTURES:
We believe the Scriptures, both the Old and New Testaments, to be the verbally inspired Word of God, written by men in God’s control, without error and infallible in the original manuscripts, and the final authority in faith and life (II Timothy 3:15-17; II Peter 1:20-21; Psalm 19:7-9).

B. THE GODHEAD:
We believe in one God, eternally existing in three persons — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit — these three being identical in essence, and possessing precisely the same attributes and perfections (Deut. 6:4; Matt. 28:19; II Cor. 13:14).

C. THE CONDITION OF MAN:
We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God in innocence and without sin, but that in Adam’s sin humanity fell, inherited a sinful nature, became spiritually dead and alienated from God. Man of himself is incapable of remedying his lost and depraved condition (Gen. 1:26, 2:1-24; Romans 3:10-18, 5:12; Eph. 2:1-3).

D. THE PERSON AND WORK OF CHRIST:
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man without ceasing to be God, having been conceived of the Holy Spirit, and born of a virgin, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful man. This redemption He accomplished by voluntarily giving Himself as a sinless substitutionary sacrifice on the cross, thereby satisfying God’s righteous judgments against sin. After confirming that redemption by His bodily resurrection from the grave, He ascended to the right hand of His Father where He intercedes on behalf of those who trust Him (John 1:1,2,14,18; Luke 1:34-35; Romans 3:24-26, 8:34).

E. THE PERSON AND WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT:
We believe that the Holy Spirit is the divine Person who convicts the world of sin, that He brings new life to those who are spiritually dead, that all believers are baptized with the Holy Spirit and thus placed into the one true Church, which is the Body of Christ, that He indwells them permanently, seals them unto the day of redemption, bestows spiritual gifts upon them, and empowers them for service (John 16:7-11, 3:5-8; I Cor. 12:7-11,13; John 14:16-17; Eph. 4:30, 5:18; Acts 1:8).

F. SALVATION:
We believe that salvation from the penalty of sin is the gift of God’s grace. It cannot be gained by meritorious works, but is freely bestowed upon all who put their faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ at Calvary. All who so trust the Savior are forgiven of their sins — past, present, and future — and born into the family of God by the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit (Eph. 2:8-9; 1:7; John 1:12).

G. SECURITY, ASSURANCE, AND RESPONSIBILITY:
We believe that all saved (those whom God has redeemed) are kept by His power and are thus secure in Christ forever. It is their privilege to rejoice in the assurance of their salvation. However, this assurance must not be the occasion for sin, for God in Holiness cannot tolerate persistent sin in His children, and in infinite love He corrects them. True faith in Christ is expressed by a fruitful, God-pleasing life (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:28-29; I John 5;13; Heb. 12:6; Matt. 7:20; James 2:20).

H. THE CHURCH:
We believe that the true Church, called in Scripture the Body of Christ, is a spiritual organism into which every person who has trusted Jesus Christ for salvation in this present age has been baptized with the Holy Spirit. The Scripture also teaches the establishment and continuance of local churches, groups of redeemed individuals joined together for worship, instruction, fellowship and service (Eph. 1:22-23; I Cor. 12:13; Acts 2:42, 13:1-2).

I. THE ORDINANCES:
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ instituted two ordinances to be observed by all believers until His return, baptism and the Lord’s Supper. Their observance by each new believer is urged (Matt. 28:19; I Cor. 11:23-26).

J. THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST:
We believe in the personal, imminent coming of the Lord Jesus Christ for His Church (I Thess. 4:13-18; Zech. 14:4-11; Rev. 19:11-16, 20:1-6).

K. THE ETERNAL STATE:
We believe that at death the souls of those who have trusted Christ for salvation pass immediately into His presence and there remain in conscious bliss until the resurrection of the body at His coming for the Church, when soul and body reunited shall be associated with Him forever in glory. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain after death in conscious misery until the final judgment of the great white throne, when soul and body reunited shall be cast into the lake of fire, not to be annihilated, but to be separated from God forever in conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; II Cor. 5:8; Phil. 1:23; II Thess. 1:7-9; Rev. 20:11-15).
:END QUOTE.

This is How I used to find a New Church when we moved, is thoroughly reading threw their Statement of Faith, very carefully First. Then I would make appointment to talk to their Senior Pastor, with a list of not covered Questions in their Statement of Faith, to make sure there was nothing they believe, would cross grain with what I personally Believe. I believe it is my responsibility to make sure that they agree with my Personal beliefs, and NOT get in that Church, and try to Change it. I have seen that happen twice is life, and both time it resulted in a Church Split, and caused a LOT OF HURT FEELINGS. Which is the DEVIL's playground. Here is one example, of one question I always had to ask their Senior Pastor: Do you believe in ordaining women ? ? ? If he said yes, the conversation was over, and I would be searching for a different Church. I believe God forbade Women to be Pastors, it is GOD's Plan.

1 Timothy 3:1-5 (HCSB)
1 This saying is trustworthy: “If anyone aspires to be an overseer, he desires a noble work.”
2 An overseer, therefore, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, self-controlled, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an able teacher,
3 not addicted to wine, not a bully but gentle, not quarrelsome, not greedy—
4 one who manages his own household competently, having his children under control with all dignity.
5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of God’s church?)

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