Must we repent in order to be forgiven?

[david-a-servant]

No i agree with Paul on all his points .

Why did you feel compelled to add to a scripture I posted for the purpose of edifying believers on this message board? It appeared your motive was to throw your dogma into it

 

[throughfaith]

I didn’t say I concentrated really hard to keep the Holy Spirit...but you do have to continue following God and keeping to what you were first taught, and growing in God..not staying baby Christians and maturing. God tells us there are false prophets and teachers for a reason...because you can call away from the faith.

John‬ ‭15:6‬ ‭
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
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What do you mean by ' continue to follow God ? what actions does this involve . When I speak to Catholics or Jehovah witnesses they will have a list of requirements in order to " keep the faith " . What do you have to do to be saved ?

 

[throughfaith]

That’s who I thought you meant...when are the Jews gonna read Hebrews do ya think?

What me centered theology? The Bible was also written for Christians. The man of God being talked about are Christians not Jews.

‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
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The Jews and others are going to need the word of God during the tribulation. If a person takes the Mark of the beast they are lost .

 

[Lisamn]

Jesus is talking to jews when he says " handed over to governors and kings as a testimony to them" ..

Why do you say that? Are the Jews gonna read that part of Mark? This is for Christians not Jews. It’s the Christian martyrs that get delivered up. Those aren’t Jews under the alter.

 

[throughfaith]

That’s who I thought you meant...when are the Jews gonna read Hebrews do ya think?

What me centered theology? The Bible was also written for Christians. The man of God being talked about are Christians not Jews.

‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
​

Yes all scripture . We need to not be so high minded and learn about Israel that is profitable.

 

[throughfaith]

Why do you say that? Are the Jews gonna read that part of Mark? This is for Christians not Jews. It’s the Christian martyrs that get delivered up. Those aren’t Jews under the alter.

We don't come in until after Mathew 27 ..ultimately, the apostle to the gentiles . Remember who Jesus is speaking to in Mark prior to the cross.
Matthew 15:24

“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel

 

[Lisamn]

The bible was not written just for the church age . Completed yes but God was speaking to People through his word then and will still be speaking after the Church is gone.

God has put everything we Christians need to learn in His word the Bible. Especially since we will be in the tribulation...we are the people Jesus is talking to because Matthew asks what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age, Matthew the now Christian asks that...is Jesus going to reply, this is what the Jews will be doing? No He’s replying to a Christian.

 

[throughfaith]

Why do you say that? Are the Jews gonna read that part of Mark? This is for Christians not Jews. It’s the Christian martyrs that get delivered up. Those aren’t Jews under the alter.

As Christians today we read all scripture. Even the parts which are Jesus speaking to Israel and about Israel . None of it will make sense if we don't read Leviticus, for example..We don't follow any of the things in Leviticus today , but we need to understand it none the less . The same for when salvation is to the jew first. And the New testament only begins with the death of christ , not the book of Matthew.

 

[throughfaith]

God has put everything we Christians need to learn in His word the Bible. Especially since we will be in the tribulation...we are the people Jesus is talking to because Matthew asks what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age, Matthew the now Christian asks that...is Jesus going to reply, this is what the Jews will be doing? No He’s replying to a Christian.

The tribulation is Jacobs trouble, not the Church, s trouble . No the church does not go through it .

 

[Lisamn]

What do you mean by ' continue to follow God ? what actions does this involve . When I speak to Catholics or Jehovah witnesses they will have a list of requirements in order to " keep the faith " . What do you have to do to be saved ?

We need to abide in God which is why I quoted that verse.

The Jews and others are going to need the word of God during the tribulation. If a person takes the Mark of the beast they are lost .

No, they aren’t going to need the word of God...they won’t even read it. What testimonies do you think we will have? The gospel must be preached to the whole world...that’s what we Christians will be doing, we won’t be off in a rapture saved from tribulation...God will be using us in tribulation to be the testimony to the unsaved.

Yes all scripture . We need to not be so high minded and learn about Israel that is profitable.

I don’t know what you mean by this.

We don't come in until after Mathew 27 ..ultimately, the apostle to the gentiles . Remember who Jesus is speaking to in Mark prior to the cross.
Matthew 15:24

“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel

Yes Jesus preached to Jews...but His word is for Christians as Jews don’t believe Him.

 

[throughfaith]

God has put everything we Christians need to learn in His word the Bible. Especially since we will be in the tribulation...we are the people Jesus is talking to because Matthew asks what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age, Matthew the now Christian asks that...is Jesus going to reply, this is what the Jews will be doing? No He’s replying to a Christian.

There is no ' body of jew / gentile believer s until after the cross. The Church is a mystery revealed to Paul .

 

[david-a-servant]

What do you mean by ' continue to follow God ? what actions does this involve . When I speak to Catholics or Jehovah witnesses they will have a list of requirements in order to " keep the faith " . What do you have to do to be saved ?

I'm curious. Do you commune with the Father and the Son through the Spirit and feel the presence of God?
John 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

This question is in regard to your personal life and/or when you gather with the body of Christ.

 

[throughfaith]

We need to abide in God which is why I quoted that verse.


No, they aren’t going to need the word of God...they won’t even read it. What testimonies do you think we will have? The gospel must be preached to the whole world...that’s what we Christians will be doing, we won’t be off in a rapture saved from tribulation...God will be using us in tribulation to be the testimony to the unsaved.


I don’t know what you mean by this.


Yes Jesus preached to Jews...but His word is for Christians as Jews don’t believe Him.

Jesus told the diciples to not go to the gentiles. The Gentiles do not come into the picture until Acts 11 .

 

[Lisamn]

As Christians today we read all scripture. Even the parts which are Jesus speaking to Israel and about Israel . None of it will make sense if we don't read Leviticus, for example..We don't follow any of the things in Leviticus today , but we need to understand it none the less . The same for when salvation is to the jew first. And the New testament only begins with the death of christ , not the book of Matthew.

The Jesus was also speaking to and training up His disciples... any things He taught were in parables just for them. Christians were included in what Jesus says and its Christians Jesus is talking to I’m Matthew 24, however I will say that when He tells people to flee when they see the abomination those are the Jews. But it’s not that I think the Jews are gonna read those words...it’s for us to know why they flee.

The tribulation is Jacobs trouble, not the Church, s trouble . No the church does not go through it .

Explain the martyrs under the alter then.

 

[Lisamn]

Jesus told the diciples to not go to the gentiles. The Gentiles do not come into the picture until Acts 11 .

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Lisamn]

There is no ' body of jew / gentile believer s until after the cross. The Church is a mystery revealed to Paul .

Who were the disciples then?

 

[throughfaith]

I'm curious. Do you commune with the Father and the Son through the Spirit and feel the presence of God?
John 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

I could share many accounts as to what you are referring to . My testimony is life changing and the experience I felt the night I was saved is unforgettable. I know exact time I was saved . The very minute..

 

[throughfaith]

What does that have to do with anything?

Its to do with Jesus warning the jews ( diciples ) That they ( Israel) will experience THE tribulation to come. All the points are Jewish and about Jerusalem ( Israel)

 

[throughfaith]

The Jesus was also speaking to and training up His disciples... any things He taught were in parables just for them. Christians were included in what Jesus says and its Christians Jesus is talking to I’m Matthew 24, however I will say that when He tells people to flee when they see the abomination those are the Jews. But it’s not that I think the Jews are gonna read those words...it’s for us to know why they flee.


Explain the martyrs under the alter then.

There will be those that will beheaded during the tribulation. Not the Church. There is no Church mentioned after Rev 4 .

 

[throughfaith]

The Jesus was also speaking to and training up His disciples... any things He taught were in parables just for them. Christians were included in what Jesus says and its Christians Jesus is talking to I’m Matthew 24, however I will say that when He tells people to flee when they see the abomination those are the Jews. But it’s not that I think the Jews are gonna read those words...it’s for us to know why they flee.


Explain the martyrs under the alter then.

People will come to believe through the witnessing of the 144000 Jews during the tribulation. They will be preaching the word of God . The bible, with that information in it . The information that we have the luxury to understand ahead of time.