Mary Mother of Jesus: Sinless?

[Whispered]

No, she just demands we must keep,the ten commands,

well as moses Paul and James said, that demands perfection. Stumble in even one part your guilty.

she seems to think the law is a means of sanctification.

"She" does? Please post evidence wherein I stated exactly what you claim there of me.
(excerpted here for clarity:
*she just demands we must keep,the ten commands
*she seems to think the law is a means of sanctification. )

Link(s) to the evidence preferred for brevity and ease of access.
Thank you for your time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again? Please, copy and paste either the statement or the link, which is preferred for ease of access, the link to the post wherein I said I was sinless. This so as to sustain your observation of my doing so, "again", in my remarks to 7.
Thank you for your time.

If you think you obey the ten commands, by that admission, you must be sinless

your the one demanding you can obey the commands, I am just giving you gods requirement

you May think you can water down the law so you can feel better about yourself that does; not mean God will ne obligated to accept your watered down version.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"She" does? Please post evidence wherein I stated exactly what you claim there of me.
(excerpted here for clarity:
*she just demands we must keep,the ten commands
*she seems to think the law is a means of sanctification. )

Link(s) to the evidence preferred for brevity and ease of access.
Thank you for your time.

Had this discussion in another thread, you remember, the one where you posted a dispensational chart I showed you was not correct?

and I am not the only one who knows this. Deny it if you want.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They are. They're the moral part of God's law.
You'll find Christians that say it is impossible to obey what are also known as, "The Ten Words" of God.
Think about that. Think about those ten words, those ten commands.
The person who says it isn't possible to honor those is likely a sociopath, psychopath, criminal, ignorant of what the 10 commandments teach, or lying.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall make no idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.

here she is saying that those who think you can not keep them are well in her own words a sociopath, psychopath, criminal, ignorant of what the 10 commandments teach, or lying.

so here she is declaring that she can keep those commands, the same commands the moses, paul and James declair that if we break even one, we are found guilty of the law.

 

[bojack]

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Cain and Abel, which one was not born in sin ?

 

[Jackson123]

You have responded to the wrong person. I said nothing that would garner your reply above.

Anyway you believe talk to Mary is ok and people that do not believe pray to Mary must not say publicly because It mean hate catholic doctrine and hate catholic doctrine is a sin, is that what you believe?

 

[CherieR]

Do you think God would arrive in this world as the Savior from sins and do so through the womb of a woman who was just like any other sinner?

Yes, to me this is a picture of God's grace. I'm sure that Mary loved God but she also sinned. Much like how the Holy Spirit indwells in the believer in Jesus is also an act of grace for we all sin and fall short of God's glory( see Romans 3:23)

 

[Laish]

You're right, Catholics do not worship Mary. They also do not pray to Mary. (more here) “We never give more honor to Jesus than when we honor his Mother, and we honor her simply and solely to honor him all the more perfectly. We go to her only as a way leading to the goal we seek – Jesus, her Son.” – Saint Louis Marie de Montfort.

Unfortunately anti-Catholicism is bigotry and that is a sin. No one born of God makes a habit of sinning. "No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him."

Ok here is a snip from the Catholic encyclopedia concerning the worship of Mary and the saints .

• As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728). They refer to it as hyperdulia they even call it a form of worship . They do say it’s one of the lowers forms , yet it is worship in their own words.
• Blessings
• Bill

 

[Jackson123]

Ok here is a snip from the Catholic encyclopedia concerning the worship of Mary and the saints .

• As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728). They refer to it as hyperdulia they even call it a form of worship . They do say it’s one of the lowers forms , yet it is worship in their own words.
• Blessings
• Bill

So catholic worship Mary.

 

[posthuman]

if "full of grace" = sinless, then so was Stephen ((Acts 6:8))

if "forgiven" = sinless, then so is every other believer, ever.

 

[posthuman]

Mary, you who have been graced, for all that grace means?
Strong's Concordance
charitoó: to make graceful, endow with grace
Original Word: χαριτόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: charitoó
Phonetic Spelling: (khar-ee-to'-o)
Definition: to make graceful, endow with grace
Usage: I favor, bestow freely on.
κεχαριτωμένη

Out of His fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given.
(John 1:16)​

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since "all" have received grace out of His fullness should we understand that "all" are without sin?

For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
(Titus 2:11) ​

 

[Timothy5378]

If Mary had to be sinless to bare Christ then how did Mary get here without her parents being sinless...lol

One thing is for sure....Catholics do not believe at all what Mormons believe and Adventists do not believe at all what JWs believe and for sure every Christian bookstore in North America does not have any of the cults books above in them...but books how to reach Catholics...Mormons...etc...

One thing about all the cults is that they produce their own material...for you can't find it in any Christian bookstore

So how they all want to be call Christians now is the Devil and Rome has stepped the lowest the longest and has the most people in it and is fine whoring with all religion to get power

 

[Elihoenai]

a person walking in the commandments of God does not mean they are perfect

it means (just addressing the 10 we are all familiar with) you do not kill, commit adultery, lust after your neighbors wife (husband), honor your mother and father(which means weigh their words, not obey them like a child as an adult), you don't steal etc

do you know why the commandments were given in the first place?

did God give them to create sinless people on this earth?

I am righteous before God. I do not obey all the law but I do follow the 10 commandments...so am I perfect?

how was Abraham righteous before God if he did not have any commandments or ordinances from God?

think it through. would be nice to hear an answer that is not found in the catechism

Genesis 26:5 King James Version (KJV)

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Elohim/God wants the Sinless Image of his Son Yeshua/Jesus and he sent his Son Yeshua/Jesus to make Disciples of himself. Abraham does have and keeps the commandments and ordinances that Elohim/God gave him. The Zacharias Priesthood is the Levitical Priesthood.

 

[pottersclay]

If Mary was sinless then why isn't she walking this earth today? Why wasn't she resurrected?

Jesus had brothers and sisters which were not conceived through the Holy Spirit and as the scriptures say we are conceived in sin.
Would this be a defilement of a pure holy vessel?
If you are referring to Mary as some type of the ark of the new covenant the ark could not be touched by human hands.
Call me ignorant but if Mary had children after the Christ I think it's more than just hands that touched her.😏😏😏

 

[Timothy5378]

If Mary was sinless then why isn't she walking this earth today? Why wasn't she resurrected?

Jesus had brothers and sisters which were not conceived through the Holy Spirit and as the scriptures say we are conceived in sin.
Would this be a defilement of a pure holy vessel?
If you are referring to Mary as some type of the ark of the new covenant the ark could not be touched by human hands.
Call me ignorant but if Mary had children after the Christ I think it's more than just hands that touched her.😏😏😏

Lol...are you not scared Catholics will give you negative feedback lmao

 

[pottersclay]

Lol...are you not scared Catholics will give you negative feedback lmao

O my didn't think of that....what should I do now😀😀😀😀

 

[Timothy5378]

You could run for cover before the great whore gets off the beast to smootch you and say...are we not all saved now together

At least when they were killing us we knew who they were

NOW WE ARE JUST ALL IN BED TOGETHER...VERY VERY SAD

 

[pottersclay]

Indeed now, your servant has found favor in your sight, and you have increased your mercy which you have shown me by saving my life

Then Moses said to the Lord, “See, You say to me, ‘Bring up this people.’ But You have not let me know whom You will send with me. Yet You have said, I know you by name, and you have also found grace in My sight.’

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

For the Lord God is a sun and shield; The Lord will give grace and glory; No good thing will He withhold From those who walk uprightly.

Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.

Noah delivered regeneration.
Moses delivered the Israelites.
Mary delivered the savior.

 

[pottersclay]

You could run for cover before the great whore gets off the beast to smootch you and say...are we not all saved now together

At least when they were killing us we knew who they were

NOW WE ARE JUST ALL IN BED TOGETHER...VERY VERY SAD

I say....bring it.....😀. Time for this saint to go home anyways.

 

[garee]

Catholisicim. The whole idea is to eulogize sinful flesh of the Son of man which Jesus said profits for nothing. zero .

It is the motive of operation for the father of lies. If God says corrupted flesh and blood does not profit for anything. The spirit of error influences men to believe the opposite the counterfeit . Those who glory in the flesh (venerable) make it profit for everything and without corrupted flesh which typifies sin (the eyes see) to them who have no faith it nothing profits.

John6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Death comes from the flesh. (body of death)

life from the Spirit. No limbo in-between

Therefore by eulogizing flesh and blood removing what the letter of the law could not do provide salvation . Something that the unseen law of faith did profit. The work of one faith between the Son of man seen and the father not seen .

Romans 8:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

The imputed righteousness of the law.