Making a case for women in leadership
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Man looks at the flesh, and judges accordingly, but God looks on the heart. And in God's economy, strength is perfected in weakness. That "a woman will compass a man" might seem to be a nightmare scenario for the current establishment, but it's the plan, the new thing God declares He will do, nonetheless.
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There is only one truth and that is Jesus Christ and he does not require that a women be silent or put in a certain role he only requires us to believe on him
so no truth does not have anything to do with what role you were given and yes it is tradition a jewish one from their culture but it is interesting that God used women to preach even in the new testament in the old testament he made one a judge if God specifically made women to not be in leadership then why contradict himself by doing that exact thing?
Do you see where there is a contradiction here? and if Jesus himself who is the ultamite truth and authority never spoke on it then doesn't that say something? he knew beforehand how the bible was going to be written he knew every word that was going to come forth but never once spoke on it
so no truth does not have anything to do with what role you were given and yes it is tradition a jewish one from their culture but it is interesting that God used women to preach even in the new testament in the old testament he made one a judge if God specifically made women to not be in leadership then why contradict himself by doing that exact thing?
Do you see where there is a contradiction here? and if Jesus himself who is the ultamite truth and authority never spoke on it then doesn't that say something? he knew beforehand how the bible was going to be written he knew every word that was going to come forth but never once spoke on it
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Except it is not clear on this matter there are very few verses that even touch the subject and each one if you do a historic study has ties with issues going on in the church at the time and again God made a women a judge and women even preached the gospel in the NT so if even one of these went by your understanding they would have been contradicting God's will yet he orddained them to do just that do you see the issue here?
Are you saying you abide by someones PERSONAL TASTE?
8 I desire therefore that the men pray in every place, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and disputing.
12 But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.
There's [several examples] of Paul giving his personal viewpoint.
We must remember this is ONLY A LETTER written to Timothy that was added to the Bible by the Council.
Personal beliefs like Paul's is not Inspired by the Holy Spirit when Paul writes [I DESIRE or I PERMIT NOT]. That is his own beliefs.
8 I desire therefore that the men pray in every place, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and disputing.
12 But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.
There's [several examples] of Paul giving his personal viewpoint.
We must remember this is ONLY A LETTER written to Timothy that was added to the Bible by the Council.
Personal beliefs like Paul's is not Inspired by the Holy Spirit when Paul writes [I DESIRE or I PERMIT NOT]. That is his own beliefs.
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LOL. Property? Wow, that's quite the leap.
I believe that a Christian woman is Gods property, and God has clearly established her boundaries. If you disagree, so be it. No need to get nasty. My pathetic viewpoint is the one supported by scripture. But whatever, have your fun, go sit under a woman pastor, let me know how that works out for you.
I believe that a Christian woman is Gods property, and God has clearly established her boundaries. If you disagree, so be it. No need to get nasty. My pathetic viewpoint is the one supported by scripture. But whatever, have your fun, go sit under a woman pastor, let me know how that works out for you.
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I know your point but it's safe to see that, if Jesus did not consider equality with God as something to be apprehended then equality with one another was also not important.
I believe we are to understand the uniqueness of everyone in Christ, to know them by their spirit and to know their place in the Body of Christ. Being unique eliminates any discussion about equality because there is no one who may rightfully take another's gifts or callings: they are without revocation.
The Spirit move all in Christ to oneness, which is to see each one as vital to the whole regardless of ability, station, or measure of grace.
I believe we are to understand the uniqueness of everyone in Christ, to know them by their spirit and to know their place in the Body of Christ. Being unique eliminates any discussion about equality because there is no one who may rightfully take another's gifts or callings: they are without revocation.
The Spirit move all in Christ to oneness, which is to see each one as vital to the whole regardless of ability, station, or measure of grace.
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Perhaps, but it’s terribly sloppy grammar.
Which contradicts 1 Cor. 11 which permits women to pray in public worship. If they can’t speak, then the fact they are praying is moot.
Not in any reputable dictionary, it isn’t. “Usurp” is an English word needing no translation into English. It means to take illegitimately.
According to you. I read them in context and my conclusion is different.
We’re having a discussion. You’re free to exit the discussion but at least consider the arguments.
Which contradicts 1 Cor. 11 which permits women to pray in public worship. If they can’t speak, then the fact they are praying is moot.
Not in any reputable dictionary, it isn’t. “Usurp” is an English word needing no translation into English. It means to take illegitimately.
According to you. I read them in context and my conclusion is different.
We’re having a discussion. You’re free to exit the discussion but at least consider the arguments.