Major doctrinal errors found in Amillennialism.

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16. Rev 9-11 vs. Rev 20. Is satan in control of Jerusalem or not?

Amillennialism sometimes claims satan being released in Revelation 9 is the same exact event of satan being released in Revelation 20 yet after the Revelation 9 releasing satan goes on to kill two of God's prophets in Jerusalem and beheads an unknown amount of Christians but in Revelation 20 he is only able to surround the city before being destroyed, killing no one let alone leaving two dead bodies in the streets of New Jerusalem! He never makes it into the city!

 

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Nope. It's only judgment day for the saved. It's punishment and wrath for the unsaved but they aren't judged at the throne on that day. That comes after the thousand years is over. They will be killed since they are "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" which is the second of two mass bodily resurrections.

Our Lord is returning this way,

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2Pet.3:10

So there won't be human existence as it is now after that.

 

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16. Rev 9-11 vs. Rev 20. Is satan in control of Jerusalem or not?

Amillennialism sometimes claims satan being released in Revelation 9 is the same exact event of satan being released in Revelation 20 yet after the Revelation 9 releasing satan goes on to kill two of God's prophets in Jerusalem and beheads an unknown amount of Christians but in Revelation 20 he is only able to surround the city before being destroyed, killing no one let alone leaving two dead bodies in the streets of New Jerusalem! He never makes it into the city!

This is why Jesus said,

And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. But there shall not an hair of your head perish. Lk.21:16-18

So with all of the devils power, not a hair of our heads perished.

 

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This is why Jesus said,

And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. But there shall not an hair of your head perish. Lk.21:16-18

So with all of the devils power, not a hair of our heads perished.

Which doesn't mean anything.

People can cut someone's head off without harming any of their hair. Did you forget this part: "and some of you shall they cause to be put to death"

Dead people don't care about their hair.

So God will allow the Devil and his servants the power to kill Christians. Did you forget the 5th seal and Revelation 20's beheaded saints and how Revelation 13 says the beast will overcome the saints??

 

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Which doesn't mean anything.
People can cut someone's head off without harming any of their hair.

Death causes decay of the body, so you're wrong.

Which doesn't mean anything.
Did you forget this part: "and some of you shall they cause to be put to death"

Dead people don't care about their hair.

So God will allow the Devil and his servants the power to kill Christians. Did you forget the 5th seal and Revelation 20's beheaded saints and how Revelation 13 says the beast will overcome the saints??

The point is, after satan did everything he could, those in Christ were still living.

 

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Death causes decay of the body, so you're wrong.


The point is, after satan did everything he could, those in Christ were still living.

What are you talking about? Most of the disciples were murdered and plenty more have through history and a lot are going to be killed by satan through his minions in the Great Tribulation. As usual, Amillennialism talks nonsense.

 

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What are you talking about? Most of the disciples were murdered and plenty more have through history and a lot are going to be killed by satan through his minions in the Great Tribulation. As usual, Amillennialism talks nonsense.

Believers who died are still living,

I tell you the solemn truth, if anyone obeys my teaching, he will never see death." Jn.8:51

You don't believe that.

 

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Believers who died are still living,

I tell you the solemn truth, if anyone obeys my teaching, he will never see death." Jn.8:51

You don't believe that.

I believe it. You don't understand it.

 

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17. Does God destroy 1/10th of New Jerusalem?

Amillennialism sometimes teaches the Jerusalem of Revelation 11 is New Jerusalem because they think the events seen in Revelation 9 (the pit being opened etc) are happening at the same timeframe of Revelation 20. The events seen in Revelation 9 happen in the 5th trumpet, which is before the events of the Great Tribulation. The events of Revelation 20 (the pit being locked) happen long after the Great Tribulation has ended. Nothing is being released at that time because it had been open since the 5th trumpet. Satan will be cast into the pit and the pit will be locked for one thousand years. The destruction of 1/10th of Jerusalem is old Jerusalem not New Jerusalem since the damage to the city in Revelation 11 takes place within the 6th trumpet. It therefore cannot be New Jerusalem which descends after the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) is over.

 

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I believe it. You don't understand it.

I understand the 1st resurrection is when people put their faith in God,

But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is notthe God of the dead, but of the living. Mt.22:31-32

 

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17. Does God destroy 1/10th of New Jerusalem?

Amillennialism sometimes teaches the Jerusalem of Revelation 11 is New Jerusalem because they think the events seen in Revelation 9 (the pit being opened etc) are happening at the same timeframe of Revelation 20. The events seen in Revelation 9 happen in the 5th trumpet, which is before the events of the Great Tribulation. The events of Revelation 20 (the pit being locked) happen long after the Great Tribulation has ended. Nothing is being released at that time because it had been open since the 5th trumpet. Satan will be cast into the pit and the pit will be locked for one thousand years. The destruction of 1/10th of Jerusalem is old Jerusalem not New Jerusalem since the damage to the city in Revelation 11 takes place within the 6th trumpet. It therefore cannot be New Jerusalem which descends after the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) is over.

And you ignored,

the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2Pet.3:10

I once believed what you di, but I also avoided such passages. Look at what he's saying. Jesus isn't returning wearing sandals. He's returning as God Almighty to judge the living and the dead,

Since all these things are to melt away in this manner, what sort of people must we be, conducting our lives in holiness and godliness, while waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God? 2Pet.3:11-12

 

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And you ignored,

the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2Pet.3:10

That isn't the second coming.

I once believed what you di, but I also avoided such passages.

That's because you don't know the scriptures well enough yet. I don't avoid any scriptures. Not one verse supports Amillennialism. Amillennialism is a Jesuit Roman Catholic invention designed to distance the Church and Popes from the antichrist so they also invented Preterism to make the claim that the Great Tribulation and antichrist were of the past.

The earliest identified Amillennialist was a presbyter in Rome in the third century, named Gaius, who also opposed the canonization of the book of Revelation. No surprise Amillennialism would not want Revelation canonized since it is that book which speaks so much about the thousand years and proves Amillennialism wrong with the whole two days of judgment and two separate resurrections.

After that, the Alexandrian school gave rise to several Amillennialists in the mid-third century, with its emphasis on allegorical and spiritual hermeneutics.

 

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18. Can satan deceive the nations while being bound and sealed in the pit?

Amillennialism often teaches that "satan has deceived the nations from Adam onwards, but his power was limited by his being imprisoned in the Abyss by Jesus Christ." Yet Revelation 20:3 says he can "deceive the nations no more" until released.

Amillennialism teaches that satan has limited power to deceive the nations while bound and sealed in the pit but scripture states he has no power to deceive the nations at all. Not limited but absolutely unable. Amillennialism directly conflicts with what the Holy Scriptures teach.

 

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That isn't the second coming.

Yes it is,

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the daysthat were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mt.24:37-39

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2Pet.3:6-7

That's because you don't know the scriptures well enough yet. I don't avoid any scriptures. Not one verse supports Amillennialism. Amillennialism is a Jesuit Roman Catholic invention designed to distance the Church and Popes from the antichrist so they also invented Preterism to make the claim that the Great Tribulation and antichrist were of the past.

The earliest identified Amillennialist was a presbyter in Rome in the third century, named Gaius, who also opposed the canonization of the book of Revelation. No surprise Amillennialism would not want Revelation canonized since it is that book which speaks so much about the thousand years and proves Amillennialism wrong with the whole two days of judgment and two separate resurrections.

After that, the Alexandrian school gave rise to several Amillennialists in the mid-third century, with its emphasis on allegorical and spiritual hermeneutics.

"Amillenial" is a misnomer, because there is a "thousand" years reign. But the idea that Jesus will return and put up with another 1000 years of bs is never taught by his or the Apostles.
Their entire body of writing was concerned with the seriousness of being ready to meet the Lord because,

the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2Thes.1:7-8

There are no people who don't know God continuing on after this.

 

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Yes it is,

No.

But the idea that Jesus will return and put up with another 1000 years of bs is never taught by his or the Apostles.

Jesus taught it to the Apostle John. It is Amillennialism which is not biblical. It's a RCC invention.

 

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No.

Jesus taught it to the Apostle John. It is Amillennialism which is not biblical. It's a RCC invention.

Our Lord isn't returning to teach the unsaved. That's what the gospel is for now,

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Mt.24:14

 

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To accept your assertion, we must believe that God is bound by time. That is a lie. Nothing binds God........not even time.

GOD IS!!!!!!

There was never a time when God did not exist, nor will there be a time when He does not.

God created time to govern the Seasons He created, and for mankind. When that last Trump sounds, and Jesus descends to gather Gods children to Him, TIME WILL BE NO MORE!

In heaven, time does not exist. The few passages that refer to "time" in that context are to give mankind some way of understanding what is being said. The most often referred to is:

2 Peter 3:8

“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”

King James Version (KJV)

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Peter reminds the believers not to lose heart because God is working on a different timetable. For a human being, if something doesn’t happen within a matter of years, then we may miss it. God, however, is not limited by the same constraints of time because “with the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” Time is simply not an issue with God because He has an unlimited amount of it. If the average person sees something in the store, it would make no difference whether it cost a penny or a dime, even though one is ten times more expensive than the other. If a billionaire wanted to buy a piece of property it might make no difference to him whether it cost $50,000 or $500,000 or even $5,000,000. This is the idea of the verse—both a day and a thousand years are such miniscule amounts of time to God that it really makes no difference to Him.

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What does 2 Peter 3:8 mean when it says a thousand …

GOD IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Omnipresent!

Definition of omnipresent

: present in all places at all times

I do not know about the details of this
Amillennialism.

but I do know that your assertion is wrong if you believe time will continue in Eternity as we know it today. TIME WILL BE NEVERMORE! We will never grow old or die, as is necessary IF time exist.........

I have a question for you I am not saying I disagree with you because is not limited however, He does Keep HIS word.


He has placed HIS word above His name. He is not a man that He should lie.

So, When God says something Propheticly will happen AND WHEN Jesus said " we do not know the day or the hour, Jesus did say we will no the season and He gave certainty once specific event took place in contest His return.
God's word makes time and season relevant to His coming. When The Lord Jesus Christ says "when you see all these things take place, LOOK UP! Luke 21:28

what things?

25“And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Then Jesus told the Parable of the Figtree:

29Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Jesus said here, HIS word is authoritative and KNOW that when these things begin to happen, the Kingdom of GOD is Near.

Heaven and earth will pass away BUT my words BY no means pass away.

God keeps HIS word and IF we see those things Jesus said start to happen we know that Spring is coming and summer will be near. Even at the door.

 

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Our Lord isn't returning to teach the unsaved. That's what the gospel is for now,

That's hypocrisy. In the Amillennialism version of the thousand years the gospel is being shared with the unsaved. In the Premill thousand years the gospel is being shared with the unsaved. The gospel will always be shared with the unsaved until judgment day, then it's too late to be saved.

 

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That's hypocrisy. In the Amillennialism version of the thousand years the gospel is being shared with the unsaved.

Yes. That's why I said the gospel is being shared now,

The gospel will always be shared with the unsaved until judgment day, then it's too late to be saved.

Yes. That's why Jesus said,

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Mt.24:14

 

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Yes. That's why I said the gospel is being shared now,


Yes. That's why Jesus said,

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Mt.24:14

That's the end of one age and the start of a new age, the thousand years and the gospel will be shared during it as it is being shared in your false version of it with satan deceiving people, sin and rebellion and murders of Christians. Those evil things don't exist in the real thousand years.