Major doctrinal errors found in Amillennialism.

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ewq1938

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Those are symbols. Our Savior did enough so that the nations (gentiles like me and countless others) would not be deceived anymore.

Is angel a symbol too or is that a real angel?
 

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Is angel a symbol too or is that a real angel?
No, I meant the "chain" and the "bottomless pit." Angels know whose confession in Jesus is genuine and whose isn't.

To me, Rev.20 is a concise overview from beginning to end. The devil and his massive army try to destroy believers in Jesus,

But there shall not a hair of your head perish. Lk.21:18
 

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No, I meant the "chain" and the "bottomless pit."
If heaven and the angel is literal in the verse then why not a key and lock and special chain made by God to hold an angelic being like satan? Of course the pit also is real. Most likely a place humans can't find or see but it's still a real place, as real as Hades or the LOF. satan is real too BTW.
 

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If heaven and the angel is literal in the verse then why not a key and lock and special chain made by God to hold an angelic being like satan? Of course the pit also is real. Most likely a place humans can't find or see but it's still a real place, as real as Hades or the LOF. satan is real too BTW.
I believe the way Jesus bound Satan is literal, along with being shown how satan is really in bondage.
 

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I believe the way Jesus bound Satan is literal, along with being shown how satan is really in bondage.

Jesus doesn't bind satan, an angel does. Have you ever read Revelation 20?
 

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13. The opening of the pit in Rev 9 is the same exact event and time when the pit is opened in Rev 20?

The problem here is that in Rev 9 and onward satan is powerful and successful against his enemies even to the point of overcoming and killing the saints. In Rev 20 satan fails completely with no success against the saints. The other issue is that Rev 9 is the 5th trump/1st woe but Rev 20 is decidedly after the 6th trump/2nd woe and even after the 7th trump/3rd woe so how can the two openings be parallel events according to chronology? Not to mention Revelation 9 is before the Great Tribulation starts and Revelation 20 is clearly after it has ended based on the beheaded saints being killed during the Great Tribulation. It is said they refused to take the mark or worship the image so that cannot be the same timeframe of Revelation 9.
 

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Then why did you try to claim Jesus binds satan when you know he doesn't?
I showed you how Jesus bound satan.

Yes. It's not an Amillennialism prooftext.
It's a text which shows the word translated as "angel" also means "messenger", which Jesus was. A messenger from heaven who bound satan.

You're not waiting for an angel to come with a chain so you won't be deceived anymore.
 

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I showed you how Jesus bound satan.

It's a text which shows the word translated as "angel" also means "messenger", which Jesus was. A messenger from heaven who bound satan.
Jesus isn't the angel that comes from heaven with a key to the lock of the pit. A literal angel does that job. Jesus doesn't bind and imprison satan nor does he let him out. Jesus left heaven in the previous chapter so he is on the Earth, likely in Jerusalem when this angel imprisons satan. He is imprisoned so he cannot deceive anyone during the Millennium.
 

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14. Is satan released from the pit immediately before the 7th trump?

Some Amillennialists teach that satan is released in the 1st woe, Rev 9:2, and somehow again immediately after the 3rd woe/7th trump return of Christ. This not only ignores the 2nd woe completely but contradicts that the unsaved trample Jerusalem for 42 months within the 2nd woe. It also ignores that the locust have 5 months in the first woe to torment the unsaved. If Amill is correct about Rev 9:2 being the same releasing of satan in Rev 20, there is a conflict of time and events.
 

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Jesus isn't the angel that comes from heaven with a key to the lock of the pit. A literal angel does that job. Jesus doesn't bind and imprison satan nor does he let him out. Jesus left heaven in the previous chapter so he is on the Earth, likely in Jerusalem when this angel imprisons satan. He is imprisoned so he cannot deceive anyone during the Millennium.
What's really sad is Christians seem unaware that our Lord already defeated Satan and his beast.
 

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What's really sad is Christians seem unaware that our Lord already defeated Satan and his beast.
What's really sad is Christians seem unaware that our Lord will defeat Satan and his beast at the second coming.
 

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15. Revelation 11, the two prophets that are slain in Jerusalem represent "the Word of God" and/or "the Spirit of God"?

It doesn't take much to recognize that "the Word of God" and "the Spirit of God" are not killed in Jerusalem by the beast nor do they have bodies that lie in the street for 3 1/2 days.
 

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What's really sad is Christians seem unaware that our Lord will defeat Satan and his beast at the second coming.
He defeated them as a man. When he returns as God, there's no big war. Just a barbecue.

15. Revelation 11, the two prophets that are slain in Jerusalem represent "the Word of God" and/or "the Spirit of God"?

It doesn't take much to recognize that "the Word of God" and "the Spirit of God" are not killed in Jerusalem by the beast nor do they have bodies that lie in the street for 3 1/2 days.
It doesn't take much to recognize that the Word and the Spirit indwell the faithful and the testimony of any of those two is true.
 

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He defeated them as a man. When he returns as God, there's no big war. Just a barbecue.

Wrong. Jesus will return, kill an army with a symbolic sword and cast the two beasts alive into the lake of fire. Satan will be imprisoned by an angel for a thousand years, Revelation 20. Afterwards satan will be released and brings an army to Jerusalem and God the Father will send fire down to kill them. Then and only then is satan cast into the lake of fire. Still there is no BBQ for the Earth. Next is the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) and lake of fire and only after that will the Earth be burned and a new Earth be in it's place. Your order doesn't come from the bible.
 

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Wrong. Jesus will return, kill an army with a symbolic sword and cast the two beasts alive into the lake of fire.
The sword comes out of his mouth. It's the word he spoke during his ministry on earth,

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word thatI have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Jn.12:48

Satan will be imprisoned by an angel for a thousand years, Revelation 20.
It's not 1000 human years,

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2Pet.3:8


Afterwards satan will be released and brings an army to Jerusalem and God the Father will send fire down to kill them. Then and only then is satan cast into the lake of fire. Still there is no BBQ for the Earth.
In Rev.20, Gog and Magog are simply an overview of satans' army throughout the ages. They "surrounded" where believers wherever we were camped out.


Next is the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) and lake of fire and only after that will the Earth be burned and a new Earth be in it's place. Your order doesn't come from the bible.
The GWTJ is the judgment seat of Christ,

For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, Jn.5:22
 

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It's not 1000 human years,
It's exactly 1000 years.

In Rev.20, Gog and Magog are simply an overview of satans' army throughout the ages. They "surrounded" where believers wherever we were camped out.
No, it's a new army satan gathers from the nations that were ruled by Christ and the saints on Earth for a thousand years. The surrounding is literally the city being surrounded on all sides by this army. Amillennialism destroys the text into nonsense with that wacky "exegesis".
 

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It's exactly 1000 years.

No, it's a new army satan gathers from the nations that were ruled by Christ and the saints on Earth for a thousand years. The surrounding is literally the city being surrounded on all sides by this army. Amillennialism destroys the text into nonsense with that wacky "exegesis".
What's wacky about the reign of Christ teaching us about how his Father has always reigned over mankind in mercy?
When our Savior returns, it's judgment day for all.
 

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What's wacky about the reign of Christ teaching us about how his Father has always reigned over mankind in mercy?
When our Savior returns, it's judgment day for all.

Nope. It's only judgment day for the saved. It's punishment and wrath for the unsaved but they aren't judged at the throne on that day. That comes after the thousand years is over. They will be killed since they are "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" which is the second of two mass bodily resurrections.