Loss of salvation???

[Magenta]

1Peter 1:24-25
24 for “All flesh is like grass
and all its glory like the flower of grass.
The grass withers,
and the flower falls,
25 but the word of the Lord remains forever.”

Isaiah 40 verses 6B-8 ~ All flesh is like grass, and all its glory like the flowers of the field. The grass withers and the flowers fall when the breath of the LORD blows on them; indeed, the people are grass. The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever.

 

[studier]

Meaning that God is grieved by the lack of agreement/spiritual unity--but rather apparent apathy--regarding His good, pleasing and perfect will (love and the kerygma I keep posting). Do you also discern a divisive spirit in many as you discuss muchly on CC?

How can we not?

 

[Magenta]

How can we not?

Indeed, especially given that the person who asked you that question repeatedly falsely accuses people.

 

[Cameron143]

I was under the impression that the wrath of God did not fall until Jesus was on the cross?

That's what many believe. I believe His agony began in the garden.

 

[Magenta]

That's what many believe. I believe His agony began in the garden.

I said nothing about His agony. The topic was God's wrath.

His agony was evident by the very fact He was sweating blood.

The struggle was between His will and the will of the Father.

He knelt down and prayed, “Father, if You are willing, take this cup from Me. Yet not My will, but Yours be done.”

 

[Cameron143]

I said nothing about His agony. The topic was God's wrath.

His agony was evident by the very fact He was sweating blood.

Right. That agony was the beginning of the wrath of God being poured out upon Him in my understanding.

 

[Magenta]

Right. That agony was the beginning of the wrath of God being poured out upon Him in my understanding.

I see no evidence of that in the text. btw I added to my last post...

Luke 22:42
Matthew 26:39
Mark 14:36
John 6:38
Philippians 2:8

Romans 5 verses 18-19 ~ Just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man (Adam) the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man (Jesus Christ) the many will be made righteous.

 

[Genez]

I believe the foundation refers to the love and kerygma I keep advocating,
and additional building refers to didachaic secondary doctrines, including perseverance, glossalalia, eschatology, etc.

I believe apostasy is repudiating the foundation one formerly affirmed,
and losing rewards refers to being wrong about some details.

And, you only drink for medicinal purposes. I understand.

 

[Genez]

Are you describing that we must endure if we are Christians? It sounds like it.

For one. Some of us must endure the likes of your way of thinking.
Disruptive misuse of knowledge is the forte for some of us.

 

[Genez]

Right. That agony was the beginning of the wrath of God being poured out upon Him in my understanding.

His wrath towards our sins, which He took upon His body on the Cross.

 

[Inquisitor]

The more precise meaning in what I said about endurance is that it does not apply to our salvation, we who are saved by grace through faith, not of endurance in and of ourselves, lest any man should boast... See my meaning when plugged into Paul's own statement?

MM

You are confusing an instruction that Jesus gave us with that free gift of salvation.

By grace through faith in which we have no input always remains a free gift.

We still are commanded to bear fruit, to endure, come what may.

We are commanded to pray, to break bread, to fellowship, to avoid sin.

There is a huge difference between the free gift of eternal life and your responsibilities
as a Christian.

Jesus told us to endure and He told us to endure for a reason.

 

[Inquisitor]

The code gives it options of "if" "then" etc., but I would not describe that as thinking.

But then I guess it comes down to your definition of "thinking" or sentient.

Ask AI a question that requires cognitive steps and see if AI understands your question?

 

[Inquisitor]

His wrath towards our sins, which He took upon His body on the Cross.

Are you saying that we can receive the mark; which we are told not to receive.

Will have no consequences because He died on the cross for our sins?

 

[studier]

Anything you try to do in addition to worshiping God in Spirit and truth is unproductive. Everything one becomes and everything one does by word or deed ought to come out from that worship. If it doesn't, then you are entertaining works of the flesh as the way to overcome.

Worshipping God in Spirit and Truth is more accurately translated "bowing in obeisance to God in Spirit and Truth". It's an important word that speaks of reverent submission. It is a word speaking of obedience and allegiance. In Spirit and Truth takes it out from the realm of flesh. So, we bow to God in Spirit and Truth, and we do what He says. Nothing we do in reverent obedience to God that's according to His will is unproductive. So, are we in agreement?

And please try not to take what I say so personal. I am merely stating what I believe and asking questions based on what you are saying. So far, you seem to be advocating that obedience is in addition to abiding in Him and walking in the Spirit. I am simply trying to ascertain whether I have heard you correctly.

Abiding is commanded so abiding is obedience. Walking in Sprit is commanded, so walking in Spirit is obedience. So, I'm not advocating for obedience in addition to obedience, although Paul's not far off from doing so:

NKJ Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?​

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We're to be slaves of obedience.​

 

[Genez]

We must endure demonic resistance that wants to mis direct us away from finding truth.

That resistance can confront us in various ways.
The most common form is through Christians who have failed the "test the spirits" test.

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. ​

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James 4:7​

 

[Genez]

Are you saying that we can receive the mark; which we are told not to receive.

Will have no consequences because He died on the cross for our sins?

Moot point.

We will not be here for when the mark will be administered.

That era involves believers of a different future dispensation.

 

[Genez]

Worshipping God in Spirit and Truth is more accurately translated "bowing in obeisance to God in Spirit and Truth". It's an important word that speaks of reverent submission. It is a word speaking of obedience and allegiance. In Spirit and Truth takes it out from the realm of flesh. So, we bow to God in Spirit and Truth, and we do what He says. Nothing we do in reverent obedience to God that's according to His will is unproductive. So, are we in agreement?



Abiding is commanded so abiding is obedience. Walking in Sprit is commanded, so walking in Spirit is obedience. So, I'm not advocating for obedience in addition to obedience, although Paul's not far off from doing so:

NKJ Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?​

​

We're to be slaves of obedience.​

We bow by our ability to think with God's Word accurately.

 

[Kroogz]

Meaning that God is grieved by the lack of agreement/spiritual unity--but rather apparent apathy--regarding His good, pleasing and perfect will (love and the kerygma I keep posting). Do you also discern a divisive spirit in many as you discuss muchly on CC?

I see a devisive Spirit. 2 in the main discussions on just about every thread.

1. calvies~~ Whosoever can't believe His Gospel.

2. armies~~Believers can and will end up in the Lake of Fire.

You, push and defend the love of God to no end in your debate with the calvies, but forget COMPLETELY about the love God when you defend your pet doctrine of walking away from salvation.

 

[Cameron143]

I see no evidence of that in the text. btw I added to my last post...

Luke 22:42
Matthew 26:39
Mark 14:36
John 6:38
Philippians 2:8

Romans 5 verses 18-19 ~ Just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man (Adam) the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man (Jesus Christ) the many will be made righteous.

I'm ok with you believing something different.

 

[Cameron143]

His wrath towards our sins, which He took upon His body on the Cross.

Then why the physical agony in the garden?