Loss of salvation???
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What they will lose is the salvation from the effects of evil in this present world we are stuck in for the time being.
But, they can not lose their salvation from the Lake of Fire, because they did believe in Jesus Christ at some point.
Once saved, we have a twofold salvation involved.
If you wish to be granted happiness and peace in time here on earth?
We must first go through all sorts of things that may even make us feel that God is angry with us!
And, that, at times, that He seems to have rejected us!
Faith is what we believe!
God's testing is for determining if we have Genuine faith = sound doctrine.
Those who follow distorted false doctrines? They will never be stabilized on earth.
Vs 9 from my Pastor's exegesis...
Having received back with interest,
the ultimate destiny of your faith,
even the salvation of your souls.
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But, they can not lose their salvation from the Lake of Fire, because they did believe in Jesus Christ at some point.
Once saved, we have a twofold salvation involved.
If you wish to be granted happiness and peace in time here on earth?
We must first go through all sorts of things that may even make us feel that God is angry with us!
And, that, at times, that He seems to have rejected us!
In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief
in all kinds of trials. These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—
of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise,
glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.
Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now,
you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving
the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:6-9
Faith is what we believe!
God's testing is for determining if we have Genuine faith = sound doctrine.
Those who follow distorted false doctrines? They will never be stabilized on earth.
Vs 9 from my Pastor's exegesis...
Having received back with interest,
the ultimate destiny of your faith,
even the salvation of your souls.
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Well... if I could see you face to face. I might be able to determine how to approach you.
As for now? Your argument is never ending.
It is due to not understanding the nature and Character of God Himself.
That must first be learned and TRANSFORMED into your own soul.
An Omniscient Father is not going to give the Son a gift that He will end up going bad, and needing to be tossed away.
As for now? Your argument is never ending.
It is due to not understanding the nature and Character of God Himself.
That must first be learned and TRANSFORMED into your own soul.
An Omniscient Father is not going to give the Son a gift that He will end up going bad, and needing to be tossed away.
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It may be a shock to you...
But, if there is a God in heaven?
Some pastors will be excellent, and able to bring those willing to learn from them, into full maturity in Christ.
That is.... If God wants us to fully mature with great understanding.
Nahhh.... God doesn't want that. Just look at all the half-baked churches we find! (right?)
Here is the crux of it all!
We are in it! They do not want it!
This is not a popularity contest! Not here looking for thumbs up.
Jesus, said - "only a few find it."
And... it's true.
But, if there is a God in heaven?
Some pastors will be excellent, and able to bring those willing to learn from them, into full maturity in Christ.
That is.... If God wants us to fully mature with great understanding.
Nahhh.... God doesn't want that. Just look at all the half-baked churches we find! (right?)
Here is the crux of it all!
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound/endure doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of
teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3
We are in it! They do not want it!
This is not a popularity contest! Not here looking for thumbs up.
Jesus, said - "only a few find it."
And... it's true.
My pastor (who is now in Heaven) had pastors throughout the country ordering his recorded sermons.
And listened to them for their own private study.
Billy Graham approached him and requested that he become his private mentor.
Which became unnecessary once his messages became available for free to anyone who asks.
I attended a church whom the pastor listened to him after I gave him a few recorded messages.
He later confided in me. He told me how he was surprised to see how his congregation wanted such
advanced teaching.
No money asked for. https://www.rbthieme.org/financialpolicy.html
How many pastors you know can say that for their recorded messages and literature?
What do you have to lose?
He taught faithfully six nights a week!
For fifty years.
https://www.rbthieme.org/PDF/LessonListingForWeb2014.pdf
Why have you not heard of him before?
Never advertised. It was all word of mouth.
grace and peace ............
And listened to them for their own private study.
Billy Graham approached him and requested that he become his private mentor.
Which became unnecessary once his messages became available for free to anyone who asks.
I attended a church whom the pastor listened to him after I gave him a few recorded messages.
He later confided in me. He told me how he was surprised to see how his congregation wanted such
advanced teaching.
No money asked for. https://www.rbthieme.org/financialpolicy.html
How many pastors you know can say that for their recorded messages and literature?
What do you have to lose?
He taught faithfully six nights a week!
For fifty years.
https://www.rbthieme.org/PDF/LessonListingForWeb2014.pdf
Why have you not heard of him before?
Never advertised. It was all word of mouth.
grace and peace ............
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There are alot of good preachers who never become well-known who faithfully serve for long periods of time. It's great that you loved your pastor and were blessed under his ministry, but there are many others with the same experience. Dualing pastors is never going to win an argument.
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What Jesus did on the cross saved us all. Eveyone of us, but we must be born again to receive the Kingdom that He spoke to Nicodemus of. So many scriptures speak o ultimate reconciliation.
1 Corinthians 15:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1 Corinthians 15:
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
2 Peter 3:
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Luke 3:
6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Romans 5
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
1 Timothy 4;
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
And there are other scriptures that proclaim the same wonderful truth, that what Jesus did on the cross brought salvation to all men.
Granted as Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:3 "I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God". And those that are not born again will go to hell to be purified. For what does fire and brimstone (sulphur) do but purify. The valley of Gehenna was a garbage dump where fire and brimstone (sulphur) were used to purify. Just as was done to Sodom;
Genesis 19:24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
So, no you cannot lose your salvation, but you can end up in hell for purification of sin.
1 Corinthians 15:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1 Corinthians 15:
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
2 Peter 3:
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Luke 3:
6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Romans 5
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
1 Timothy 4;
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
And there are other scriptures that proclaim the same wonderful truth, that what Jesus did on the cross brought salvation to all men.
Granted as Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:3 "I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God". And those that are not born again will go to hell to be purified. For what does fire and brimstone (sulphur) do but purify. The valley of Gehenna was a garbage dump where fire and brimstone (sulphur) were used to purify. Just as was done to Sodom;
Genesis 19:24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
So, no you cannot lose your salvation, but you can end up in hell for purification of sin.
What would win the argument, for, or against?
Give him a fair hearing.
Besides... There should not be a lot of good pastors, unless 2 Timothy 4:3 is a lie.
There will be a lot of good pastors for one's personal preference only.
Only a few find it.
Even, if they were at one time told the truth!
Only a few will.
Give him a fair hearing.
Besides... There should not be a lot of good pastors, unless 2 Timothy 4:3 is a lie.
There will be a lot of good pastors for one's personal preference only.
For the time will come when people will not endure sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
Only a few find it.
Even, if they were at one time told the truth!
Only a few will.
Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers,
because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. " James 3:1
I am just a messenger.....
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Your PT told those in his Houston pews and around the recordings globe not to put him on a pedestal. The problem is that few listened to that lesson. He also in one of his more somber moments later in the game admitted as much to himself as to others (IMO) that no man can learn this Book in a lifetime.
1Cor1 and 1Cor3 applies to all of us who play these immature favorites games and then infer our maturity.
It's all about the Word in Christ in Spirit.
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