Loss of salvation???

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Sipsey said:
Do you not see that Scripture distinguishes between being filled with the Spirit, and baptized with the Spirit?
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SLIPSEY:
I think You are not focusing on quite correctly. You cannot mix Water and Oil.
You also can not water baptism, with spiritual baptism. Although many try to do just that.

I read Your question as an honest One. I understand baptism as two kinds. First, there is a physical baptism, which is done, usually, with water.
There are, however, a TRUE baptism which is accomplish by The Spirit Of God; and It is spiritual baptism. God The Elohim has chosen to use both in different ways, for different reasons. The Baptism which John was doing was a physical baptism with water.
That One occurred BEFORE Jesus Christ came into Isreal. Where did He come into to? That is very important!

The Baptism that is in place in This Age is, Spiritual Baptism only! Yet there be many who insist on saying that water baptism is needed to become saved!

What saves a person spiritually? Is It water or The Spirit Of God (The Elohim of Genesis 1:1 (Us) ?

I hope I have made This subject more clear to You. If not, Email Me and I will do My best to cover It better.

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"In The Begining God created ... ."
LET US MAKE MAN ... .

Who then is The US ? I know who They are; I just ask The Reader this to see the responses.
 
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Sipsey said:
Do you not see that Scripture distinguishes between being filled with the Spirit, and baptized with the Spirit?
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I haven't?

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
 
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[This is the revelation of Jesus Christ [His unveiling of the divine mystery]. Amplified Version.
God gave IT TO HIM to disclose and make known TO HIS BONDSERVANTS, certain things WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS IN THEIR ENTIRETY.
Why then do people keep forcing what was written to His bond servants, to everyone? Yet They do.
Even the so-called knowledgeable teachers are doing just That!
This is, in My opinion; Because people like to hear false stories that sound good, rather than The Truth!
What think Thee ?

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SLIPSEY:
I think You are not focusing on quite correctly. You cannot mix Water and Oil.
You also can not water baptism, with spiritual baptism. Although many try to do just that.

I read Your question as an honest One. I understand baptism as two kinds. First, there is a physical baptism, which is done, usually, with water.
There are, however, a TRUE baptism which is accomplish by The Spirit Of God; and It is spiritual baptism. God The Elohim has chosen to use both in different ways, for different reasons. The Baptism which John was doing was a physical baptism with water.
That One occurred BEFORE Jesus Christ came into Isreal. Where did He come into to? That is very important!

The Baptism that is in place in This Age is, Spiritual Baptism only! Yet there be many who insist on saying that water baptism is needed to become saved!

What saves a person spiritually? Is It water or The Spirit Of God (The Elohim of Genesis 1:1 (Us) ?

I hope I have made This subject more clear to You. If not, Email Me and I will do My best to cover It better.

DeepSeeker
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If the only way to get rid of our sins is being baptized in JESUS name.

Acts 2:38
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Since sin separates us from GOD, AND he does not hear sinners!!

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

How can you be saved without getting rid of it?

Are you implying someone can be reborn and never get rid of their sin?

If not how do you think we get rid of our sins?
 
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Ouch said:
Do you just talk with out looking at his word?

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
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yup says right there, Jesus did not baptize with water.

thank you for confirming what i said.
 
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DeepSeeker said:
The Baptism that is in place in This Age is, Spiritual Baptism only! Yet there be many who insist on saying that water baptism is needed to become saved!
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water baptism is not salvific nor necessary for salvation, but we should not neglect the sacraments Christ instituted for us: assembling together, taking His supper together, and baptizing with water those who have newly come to belief.

these were given to the church as commandments, beginning with the apostles. by the time Paul began preaching it was clear that there was an immersion of the Spirit, and that it occurred with belief, independent of water baptism - yet he still baptized with water, and taught the churches he founded to continue to do so.

i would just as strongly argue sabbath observence is not necessary ((nor is it even commanded of believers)), but never forbid it - - but water baptism was indeed commanded, not under the law except to priests in service, but to the church, Jew and Gentile alike.

i certainly wouldn't go around preaching against it: what i've been doing here is correcting this one pained man's missteps and trying to steer him toward the actual thread topic. i hope i haven't given anyone the impression i am against baptism, by pointing out that it is Christ alone that saves, not of works but of His grace.

if for no other reason, i believe we should be baptized for the same reason our example, Jesus, was: to fulfill all righteousness
 
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DeepSeeker said:
SLIPSEY:
I think You are not focusing on quite correctly. You cannot mix Water and Oil.
You also can not water baptism, with spiritual baptism. Although many try to do just that.

I read Your question as an honest One. I understand baptism as two kinds. First, there is a physical baptism, which is done, usually, with water.
There are, however, a TRUE baptism which is accomplish by The Spirit Of God; and It is spiritual baptism. God The Elohim has chosen to use both in different ways, for different reasons. The Baptism which John was doing was a physical baptism with water.
That One occurred BEFORE Jesus Christ came into Isreal. Where did He come into to? That is very important!

The Baptism that is in place in This Age is, Spiritual Baptism only! Yet there be many who insist on saying that water baptism is needed to become saved!

What saves a person spiritually? Is It water or The Spirit Of God (The Elohim of Genesis 1:1 (Us) ?

I hope I have made This subject more clear to You. If not, Email Me and I will do My best to cover It better.

DeepSeeker
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I think what we have here is a misunderstanding. If you do not understand the concept of being “filled” vs being “indwelt or baptized “ by the Holy Spirit, then it will be a difficult discussion.
 
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