Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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If you consider context, we are talking about Augustine’s influence on Calvin. What Augustine believed before he was converted is irrelevant to the topic, because Calvin was influenced by his writings which he wrote post conversion, Calvin was not influenced by Augustines pre conversion beliefs.
If you would like to argue that Augustines preconversion beliefs in Manichæism influenced Calvin, you may present your evidence for that.
Context is important.
If you would like to argue that Augustines preconversion beliefs in Manichæism influenced Calvin, you may present your evidence for that.
Context is important.
Well, I would examine those things you have a problem with you if you like, I like to keep things agreeable and you seem agreeable 
. I am too old for nonsense.
Faith before regeneration......hmmm. If a man is dead in sin.....a corpse....how did he become aware of faith? Faith is God-given, does God gift faith to the unregenerate? How does that work?
. I am too old for nonsense.Faith before regeneration......hmmm. If a man is dead in sin.....a corpse....how did he become aware of faith? Faith is God-given, does God gift faith to the unregenerate? How does that work?
Btw, Sola scriptura relates to the sufficiency of scripture. All truth related to salvation and godly life and practice are found in scripture and scripture is the only infallible rule of faith and practice.
I am influenced by a lot of preachers, teachers, and writers. But they are not the rule of my faith and practice. I accept what they teach if it is scriptural and if not, I reject it. But the Bible alone and the Bible in its entirety is the infallible Word of God
I am influenced by a lot of preachers, teachers, and writers. But they are not the rule of my faith and practice. I accept what they teach if it is scriptural and if not, I reject it. But the Bible alone and the Bible in its entirety is the infallible Word of God
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Well, I would examine those things you have a problem with you if you like, I like to keep things agreeable and you seem agreeable . I am too old for nonsense.
Faith before regeneration......hmmm. If a man is dead in sin.....a corpse....how did he become aware of faith? Faith is God-given, does God gift faith to the unregenerate? How does that work?
. I am too old for nonsense.Faith before regeneration......hmmm. If a man is dead in sin.....a corpse....how did he become aware of faith? Faith is God-given, does God gift faith to the unregenerate? How does that work?
I believe in a Holy Spirit drawing/conviction through preaching that convicts a man of sin and publicly displays Christ crucified and risen and calls to come. I am not a pelagian or a semi pelagian. I believe that there is an active work of Grace that precedes our faith. The Spirit and bride say come. One plants one waters but God gives the increase, etc.
We plant seeds, we water seeds, but only God can cause those Gospel seeds to become a harvest of redeemed souls. Amen.
But regeneration is something that happens when we believe/ one believes. Ephesians 1:13
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Regeneration is making alive that which is DEAD. Original sin caused Adam to die spiritually and the legacy of that is that everyone is now born spiritually dead. I'm sure you agree with that.
So the calvinist view is that dead men:
Romans 3
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
So the calvinist view is that dead men:
Romans 3
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
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Yes. I was all these things and more. Man is dead in that He is seperated by sin from the only source of spiritual life. We were not dead physically, or mentally or even volitionally where we were incapable of a physical action of coming to an altar or getting baptized , ( which does not save). We were not so dead that we could not mentally believe things about God or even the Gospel, ( but mentally affirming facts does not save). We were not so dead that we couldn’t say “ I choose God” , ( but but professing to choose God is not what saves us). We were dead spiritually in the sense that We could not reach God, we were cut off from Him and relationally seperated from Him, and dead to the degree that He alone was able to reconcile us to Himself and make us alive.
As written.., Say not who shall ascend to heaven to bring Christ down and who shall descend to the deeps, to bring Christ back from the grave, but the Word of faith is near to you...
As written.., Say not who shall ascend to heaven to bring Christ down and who shall descend to the deeps, to bring Christ back from the grave, but the Word of faith is near to you...
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Last night, in YouTube, I listened to gotquetions.org, on the subject of lordship salvation. The speaker said that only lordship salvation saves. Anything less than that, is "easy believism" - and isn't able to save anyone. I also listened to John MacArthur in Youtube - preaching on the subject. He said Jesus and the apostles preached the need for repentance and the need to accept Jesus as Lord, in order for anyone to get saved. He mentioned a lot of Bible verses giving proof of this. He said many think they're saved, by praying the "sinner's prayer of repentance" - but make no effort to change their lives for the better. He said the word "repentance" means, "changing one's way of thinking - plans to do things differently." Both of these speakers said that belief isn't enough to save anyone. Only if coupled with repentance, does it save anyone. And many verses mentioned - showed repentace as preceding baptism and salvation - that's how the verses were worded! The verses mentioned repentance, before mentioningn all the other.
I've observed, that many evidently - true Christians believe that repentance isn't a necessary part to receiving salvation. I believe some of these Christians are true Christians. Since they appear to be walking in obedience to Christ in their daily lives. But their theology - their way of explaining it to others is incorrect. And so has the potential for misleading other people into "easy believism." With the result of their dying without Christ, often.
I talked to the husband of the home we clean house at yesterday about this, and he said that he has also noticed that many true Christians don't understand the subject the same as we do - who do see the need for repentance. He agreed it is hard for them to change their views on the subject, as they've learned incorrectly on it from habit and through people who taught that way. He said we must be loving towards them, though we can't agree on this subject - which is true, according to the Bible. But we dhould pray that they come to understand correctly on the subject.
I've observed, that many evidently - true Christians believe that repentance isn't a necessary part to receiving salvation. I believe some of these Christians are true Christians. Since they appear to be walking in obedience to Christ in their daily lives. But their theology - their way of explaining it to others is incorrect. And so has the potential for misleading other people into "easy believism." With the result of their dying without Christ, often.
I talked to the husband of the home we clean house at yesterday about this, and he said that he has also noticed that many true Christians don't understand the subject the same as we do - who do see the need for repentance. He agreed it is hard for them to change their views on the subject, as they've learned incorrectly on it from habit and through people who taught that way. He said we must be loving towards them, though we can't agree on this subject - which is true, according to the Bible. But we dhould pray that they come to understand correctly on the subject.
we first have to hear the gospel so let’s say we first hear John 3:16 and we hear about his death for our sins and his resurrection and we believe that and we make that confession of faith from our heart because we’ve heard a message from God but only a piece of it but it’s all we really know about yet it is like a seed in our heart but like seeds always do it’s planted with intent to grow slowly but surely .
so let’s say we begin attending a church and start to hear something Jesus taught about repentance and living right before God . That then becomes a point of growth some jump right in others aren’t able to hear that part yet they are little sprouts , some are partially grown others are maturing now while others are bearing lots of fruit . Jesus will work out who’s saved we should be helping one another along and not placing so many judgements and stumbling blocks in each other’s way .
Jesus taught often the parables about a seed being planted and it would grow some will eventually let the seed be taken away or the things of this world the list of the eyes and pride of life will choke the word and it won’t bear fruit but believers who believe will persevere and grow as God shines light and gives rain on thier lives
Salvation is about the most personal thing there is between a believer and their Lord And savior who have his life for them So we should
Leave room for Jesus to work out others kinks and fix their flaws inside and just love others as he said to do
great post God bless
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