Lets build a fire!
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Maam, I have not interacted with you that much, so excuse for sticking my nose in - it sometimes gets too long - but I will try not to tell any lies, so that it does get any longer (like Pinochio's did - LOL!)
On the OSAS issue - I agree with you - I came here several years ago asking questions and trying to figure out what I really believed about salvation, the assurance of salvation, and how faith and works interrelated in the Christian walk. I asked questions, made statements, and had some very "hard-headed" (as I saw someone here "accused" me of being) discussions and debates with some unnamed champions of the eternal security doctrine. I have not seen a single verse that supports OSAS, not seen a single argument for it that holds any weight at all. In fact, I have seen so much of it and the deception and insecurity it breeds that it . . . well - enough said.
But, and here is what I want to say - I count of these who I have interrelated with and vehemently (and still do!) disagreed with some of my closest friends (if that can be said of people only on a forum). They love the Lord, serve Him, and show compassion and love and care for others that is deep, real, and exemplary. We have learned to disagree, and be able to bluntly tell one another so, and yet (for the most part
) these friends have not resorted to name calling.
So, some of us did not come to CC as much to find Christian "fellowship" as to be able to discuss and learn from others who may disagree with the "sacred denominational doctrines" that most of us who are Protestants are taught. Any yet, in deep debates I have found love and fellowship, and have learned how to honestly admit when I was wrong, or when I really got angry! (and I have had some bad moments on CC!) As I have said before here, if hard straight forward discussion offend a person, they had best not come on the BDF!
On this thread you are interrelating with some of the best and most compassionate people on CC! (Of course I do not know all of them here!) Some of them will disagree with you about OSAS, but that doesn't mean they do not love, are just plain stubborn, or are bull-headed!
As I see it, the most fun I am going to have is when I get to glory and get to sit down with some of these on CC and have Peter and John and Paul explain to them the way of salvation more fully. The only worry I have about that is some of them are so unyielding in their views that I fear they may even convince Paul that OSAS is true! (But on the other hand, I plan to correct Paul if it turns out he believes in OSAS!)
Hey, that last paragraph is all in fun -- I had a lot of fun writing it!
Oh, also - at the beginning I said I would try "not to tell any lies" - well, I didn't - even in my second paragraph. But I would be lying if I said I didn't say some things in a way to get some others riled up a little!
On the OSAS issue - I agree with you - I came here several years ago asking questions and trying to figure out what I really believed about salvation, the assurance of salvation, and how faith and works interrelated in the Christian walk. I asked questions, made statements, and had some very "hard-headed" (as I saw someone here "accused" me of being) discussions and debates with some unnamed champions of the eternal security doctrine. I have not seen a single verse that supports OSAS, not seen a single argument for it that holds any weight at all. In fact, I have seen so much of it and the deception and insecurity it breeds that it . . . well - enough said.
But, and here is what I want to say - I count of these who I have interrelated with and vehemently (and still do!) disagreed with some of my closest friends (if that can be said of people only on a forum). They love the Lord, serve Him, and show compassion and love and care for others that is deep, real, and exemplary. We have learned to disagree, and be able to bluntly tell one another so, and yet (for the most part
) these friends have not resorted to name calling. So, some of us did not come to CC as much to find Christian "fellowship" as to be able to discuss and learn from others who may disagree with the "sacred denominational doctrines" that most of us who are Protestants are taught. Any yet, in deep debates I have found love and fellowship, and have learned how to honestly admit when I was wrong, or when I really got angry! (and I have had some bad moments on CC!
) As I have said before here, if hard straight forward discussion offend a person, they had best not come on the BDF! On this thread you are interrelating with some of the best and most compassionate people on CC! (Of course I do not know all of them here!) Some of them will disagree with you about OSAS, but that doesn't mean they do not love, are just plain stubborn, or are bull-headed!
As I see it, the most fun I am going to have is when I get to glory and get to sit down with some of these on CC and have Peter and John and Paul explain to them the way of salvation more fully. The only worry I have about that is some of them are so unyielding in their views that I fear they may even convince Paul that OSAS is true! (But on the other hand, I plan to correct Paul if it turns out he believes in OSAS!)
Hey, that last paragraph is all in fun -- I had a lot of fun writing it!
Oh, also - at the beginning I said I would try "not to tell any lies" - well, I didn't - even in my second paragraph. But I would be lying if I said I didn't say some things in a way to get some others riled up a little!
There is not a SINGLE verse supporting Eternal Security. There are SCORES of them!!!
Just because you don’t acknowledge them doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
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If there are scores of them, then you should be able to give me just one? (but, please, not on this thread!)
(but, please, not on this thread!)
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When you get called that stuff you must consider the source as it is not God calling you those things. I get what your saying though as I've been called a few things too in my life. After awhile I got harden and decided that I really didn't care what negative people thought about me anymore. Seriously, I didn't give a crap one way or another. Par for the course I guess. That's who I am.
One thing though that stuck with me through the years, and that is a little piece of scripture about loving those that hurt you and bless those that curse you. I also realized that I'm no better than anyone else, no worse either for that matter for there, but for the grace of God, go I. I can't say that I ever learned to love those that hurt me but I have prayed for a few now and then. Perhaps later, by the grace of God they might possibly say a prayer for me.
One thing though that stuck with me through the years, and that is a little piece of scripture about loving those that hurt you and bless those that curse you. I also realized that I'm no better than anyone else, no worse either for that matter for there, but for the grace of God, go I. I can't say that I ever learned to love those that hurt me but I have prayed for a few now and then. Perhaps later, by the grace of God they might possibly say a prayer for me.
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I don't believe that she is at all. She has been hurt and is simply expressing pain that resides in her heart. Actually, I believe her to be very spiritual and a humble servant to the Lord with an outstanding character and love in her heart given to her by God to share. I have certainly been blessed through her insightful posts and the person that she is.
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In my opinion, she is also a very protective mama bear who gets fired up when she feels herself or others are attacked. She admits she has no patience for those things.
I think both sides have this in common >They both love God with all they have and sometimes things get said out of impatience, frustration and or hurt.
I hope we can all forgive, Lord knows I fall short plenty.
I think both sides have this in common >They both love God with all they have and sometimes things get said out of impatience, frustration and or hurt.
I hope we can all forgive, Lord knows I fall short plenty.
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Well thank you. I appreciate you seeing good me. It is all Him. He has humbled me greatly. Much of my life was spent in ditches of my own making. He has forgiven me for so much!!! What you see in me, I see in you and your wife. I am so grateful.
Well anyway, let's pray for our brothers and sisters here and offline. God is able!!!
Well anyway, let's pray for our brothers and sisters here and offline. God is able!!!
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if we truly Love one another, we will understand that we will be crucified for our Loving correction -
1COR. 6:19.
What? know you not that your body is the temple of The Holy Ghost which is in you,
which you have of God, and you are not your own?
as it is written;
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
the question is,
'how much do we value the 'price'???
1COR. 6:19.
What? know you not that your body is the temple of The Holy Ghost which is in you,
which you have of God, and you are not your own?
as it is written;
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
the question is,
'how much do we value the 'price'???
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this hurricane will happen again
it's not even a question of forgiveness
this thread is like watching a train wreck in slow motion and the driver of the train is the op
don't dress up bad behavior with verses from scripture and make excuses for it
this is the most explosive op she has written yet. it's like the others were practice leading up to this
maybe her anger is spent now, but wait until next time
some people need correction, not coddling
it's not even a question of forgiveness
this thread is like watching a train wreck in slow motion and the driver of the train is the op
don't dress up bad behavior with verses from scripture and make excuses for it
this is the most explosive op she has written yet. it's like the others were practice leading up to this
maybe her anger is spent now, but wait until next time
some people need correction, not coddling
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