Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.
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Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2Corth 5:20
Did you know that one of the first acts of war or rumor of war is to remove the ambassadors from the region?
Did you know that one of the first acts of war or rumor of war is to remove the ambassadors from the region?
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Did not Jesus say specifically that the end times will be "as in the days to Noah"? So, why do Jesuit Futurists interpret end time prophecy to be something totally different from the events back in Noah's day?
In the time of the "cataclysmos" Flood when the Ark door slammed shut, the fate of the wicked was sealed, though the rain would not fall for seven more days...and they didn't even know they were lost! When the Flood hit, there were two classes of people, those who were left alive safely inside the Ark and the ones Jesus said "knew not until the Flood came and took them all away".
But, Jesuit Futurists once again get it wrong by twisting Scripture so that the two classes of people in the last days are BOTH left alive, the one class taken up alive in a "secret rapture" while the other class are left alive down here for seven more years...does that sound even remotely like what happened in Noah's day?
In the time of the "cataclysmos" Flood when the Ark door slammed shut, the fate of the wicked was sealed, though the rain would not fall for seven more days...and they didn't even know they were lost! When the Flood hit, there were two classes of people, those who were left alive safely inside the Ark and the ones Jesus said "knew not until the Flood came and took them all away".
But, Jesuit Futurists once again get it wrong by twisting Scripture so that the two classes of people in the last days are BOTH left alive, the one class taken up alive in a "secret rapture" while the other class are left alive down here for seven more years...does that sound even remotely like what happened in Noah's day?
[pre-tribber, here (me 
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I've posted before (perhaps you haven't seen it), that the "one taken, the other left" applies in the following way (not the way you are suggesting "pre-tribbers" have it).
"as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be"... where I've said:
--ALL "Son of man cometh / coming / shall come / coming of / etc" passages refer to His Second Coming to the earth (NOT "our Rapture"), to judge / govern / reign (i.e. the earthly MK age commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth);
--the "one taken" is taken away in judgment (just as in Noah's day);
--the one "left" is left on the earth, to ENTER the earthly MK age in their mortal bodies, capable of reproducing/bearing children (just as in Noah's day; Only the "saints / righteous / BLESSED" [i.e. "saved" persons] will ENTER the MK age, upon His "RETURN" there--these are folks who will have come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" and who will have survived [alive] throughout the entire trib years, as in Dan12:12 and about 8 other "BLESSED" passages speaking of the same time-slot/circumstances, including in this Matt24 context "BLESSED" and in ITS parallel passage Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "BLESSED"... "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347])
--thus, Matt24 / Lk17, where these phrases are found (re: His Second Coming to the earth time-slot), parallel both Gen9:1 and Dan2:35c "and FILL [/FILLED] the [whole] earth" (i.e. the "taken / left" passages are NOT "Rapture" contexts).
) ]I've posted before (perhaps you haven't seen it), that the "one taken, the other left" applies in the following way (not the way you are suggesting "pre-tribbers" have it).
"as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be"... where I've said:
--ALL "Son of man cometh / coming / shall come / coming of / etc" passages refer to His Second Coming to the earth (NOT "our Rapture"), to judge / govern / reign (i.e. the earthly MK age commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth);
--the "one taken" is taken away in judgment (just as in Noah's day);
--the one "left" is left on the earth, to ENTER the earthly MK age in their mortal bodies, capable of reproducing/bearing children (just as in Noah's day; Only the "saints / righteous / BLESSED" [i.e. "saved" persons] will ENTER the MK age, upon His "RETURN" there--these are folks who will have come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" and who will have survived [alive] throughout the entire trib years, as in Dan12:12 and about 8 other "BLESSED" passages speaking of the same time-slot/circumstances, including in this Matt24 context "BLESSED" and in ITS parallel passage Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "BLESSED"... "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347])
--thus, Matt24 / Lk17, where these phrases are found (re: His Second Coming to the earth time-slot), parallel both Gen9:1 and Dan2:35c "and FILL [/FILLED] the [whole] earth" (i.e. the "taken / left" passages are NOT "Rapture" contexts).
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Not in written form it doesn't.
Moses was far closer to Enoch than any of these modern pretrib teachers or even Jude.
I think he understood the context of the prophecy he was using.
These are pretrib doctrinal rules imposed on Bible prophecy which I reject. We will never be on the same page about this.
Moses was far closer to Enoch than any of these modern pretrib teachers or even Jude.
I think he understood the context of the prophecy he was using.
These are pretrib doctrinal rules imposed on Bible prophecy which I reject. We will never be on the same page about this.
Also one more thing;
The overcomes in the trib.
It says " they overcame by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony AND LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH.
They died.
Oh,yet a fourth thing.
It says " power was given him to overcome the saints..."
So
Yes indeed,all either take the mark or die.
Read it
It says " every man, woman and child whether bond or free..."
The overcomes in the trib.
It says " they overcame by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony AND LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH.
They died.
Oh,yet a fourth thing.
It says " power was given him to overcome the saints..."
So
Yes indeed,all either take the mark or die.
Read it
It says " every man, woman and child whether bond or free..."
"Moses was far closer to Enoch"
You lost me there. Closer in what sense? Philosophically?
But to presume that this quote of Enoch is not genuine impugns the veracity of the Bible. I would assume that in Jude's day they had legit written records that we do not now possess.
The Holy Spirit inspired Jude to pull that particular quote which is accurate.
Yes I am aware of this theory that postexilic Jews conjured up Enochian mythical writings.
But nobody knows for sure. For all we know the book of Enoch could be substantially correct.
You lost me there. Closer in what sense? Philosophically?
But to presume that this quote of Enoch is not genuine impugns the veracity of the Bible. I would assume that in Jude's day they had legit written records that we do not now possess.
The Holy Spirit inspired Jude to pull that particular quote which is accurate.
Yes I am aware of this theory that postexilic Jews conjured up Enochian mythical writings.
But nobody knows for sure. For all we know the book of Enoch could be substantially correct.
I've already addressed this in past posts (not sure if it was this thread or not... perhaps), when I have addressed Rev2-3 (in the section of Revelation re: "the things WHICH ARE").
Saying "unto/for/in the churchES" is not the same thing as saying "to 'the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY'" :
--"unto the churchES" - "churchES" are made up of both believers AND those who come in His name but who are not actually connected with Christ (they are not "saved"); aka what is commonly called "Christendom";
--[by contrast] "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" is made up of ONLY "believers" (ALL those saved [/who've come to faith/believers] "in this present age [singular]")
Saying "unto/for/in the churchES" is not the same thing as saying "to 'the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY'" :
--"unto the churchES" - "churchES" are made up of both believers AND those who come in His name but who are not actually connected with Christ (they are not "saved"); aka what is commonly called "Christendom";
--[by contrast] "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" is made up of ONLY "believers" (ALL those saved [/who've come to faith/believers] "in this present age [singular]")