Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

[Truth7t7]

Who’s trying to disprove that? It’s been my premise for why it’s impossible to have any seven more years of anything after He comes as a “thief in the night”.

My point is you’re wrong about the New Hesvens/Earth happening at the Second Coming - you keep forgetting the wicked drop dead at the Second Coming, join the already dead wicked for a thousand more years of sleep while the saints reign with Jesus at “my Father’s house” in “Jerusalem which is above” for 1,000 years, followed by the kingdom of New Jerusalem transported to Earth when at that time the wicked are raised, sentenced, cast into the fire which consumes the entire Earth to a crisp, followed by creation of the NH/NE.

I disagree that the dead die and sleep on earth for a literal 1,000 years, while New Jerusalem takes place for the righteous,then followed by the final judgement.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[FreeGrace2]

No.
My job is to make you refute the bible.

Well, that's just an evil job then. Because no one can refute the Bible. otoh, your claims can easily be refuted from the Bible.

Either agree with scripture I bring to the table or refute scripture.

I have already refuted your misunderstanding of Scripture.

You can not make ANY truth come out of a postrib rapture model

I have, as have others, but it takes "eyes to see and ears to hear", of which you seem not to have.

Lets test it.
SHOW ME ONE VERSE. ONE VERSE SUPPORTING POSTRIB RAPTURE MODEL.[]/QUOTE]
Very easy. There is ONLY ONE return of Christ in the Bible. We call that the Second Advent or Second Coming. If there was a pre=trib visit, there would be a total of 3 comings. The math is relatively easy to understand.

Acts 3:21 says Jesus remains in heaven until the restoration of all things.

NONE of the supposed pre-trib rapture passages mentions anything about a U-turn. But Matt 24 shows that the "gathering" is AFTER the Trib.

Rev 19 wording shows that the wedding supper is about to occur.

Rev 20 plainly says the resurrection of the martyrs is the FIRST one.

1 Cor 15:23 shows that Jesus' resurrection is called the "first fruits", AND THEN those who belong to Him. So that clearly indicates that all believers are resurrected at the same time. Not in steps, series, etc.

You're welcome.

I will even spot you some slack and we both can pretend there are no rapture verses....you know, the ones you already pretend are not there.

You STILL haven't given ANY U-turn verses.

So let us see this postrib rapture verse.

See above.

I will wait.

How about this: I will wait for your supposedly U-turn rapture verses.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

"" you shut me down""
Prove to me your posting of the bride/ groom dynamic anywhere and me not engaging it.
..or " shutting you down".

Not going to happen

I remember you saying they died and were resurrected.

I think I said " does not fit" or something to that effect.

Other than that i have known for years Postribbers do not go there.

I have NEVER seen postribs ANYWHERE unpack any bride/ groom verse, where they initiated and used it in their study.

They will skew that dynamic if it is placed on the table...but never use it in their doctrine.

"They" who?
The virgins from the parable? That is your obsession, not mine. I've never tried to illustrate biblical typography with a parable.

You have NEVER allowed me to unpack anything,
Frankly your attitude stinks.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Their doctrine is. About 5% postrib apologetic and About 95% ANTI PRETRIB RAPTURE

I am 100% anti U-turn theology because there are NO verses that describe your fantasy U-turn. Where are your verses?

You keep claiming that you have them. No one has seen them.

Their main focus is DISPROVING the pretrib rapture.

Disproved by your FAILURE to provide any U-turn verses.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Psssst...google Postrib rapture and see your side doing the same thing.

Really?????

You really do not know your side does the same thing?????

My side?

I believe in the second coming of our Lord and the resurrection.
What side am I on? Why are there sides?

 

[Absolutely]

Any references/sources for this?

... Also if you read foxes book of martyrs it has tons of martyrs killed by Catholics.

To find the killing of pretribbers would probably be a needle in a haystack

But everything we know is from someone else.
Some shoot down josephas. He was this or that blah blah blah.


If you did find it it would be met with the writing or messenger being shot down.

Talking to postribs is hit and miss


They are going to shoot down everything brought to the table.

No matter what...they will shoot it down.

 

[Absolutely]

"They" who?
The virgins from the parable? That is your obsession, not mine. I've never tried to illustrate biblical typography with a parable.

You have NEVER allowed me to unpack anything,
Frankly your attitude stinks.

She says with a bad nasty attitude

Lol

 

[Absolutely]

My side?

I believe in the second coming of our Lord and the resurrection.
What side am I on? Why are there sides?

Dang dude

"Sides" is some bogey man also?

Any debate has 2 sides?????? Or more???

You seem to be resenting me or something.

Every word offends you.

Chill dude.

We are family.

 

[Absolutely]

"They" who?
The virgins from the parable? That is your obsession, not mine. I've never tried to illustrate biblical typography with a parable.

You have NEVER allowed me to unpack anything,
Frankly your attitude stinks.

Didn't you just shut me down?

I love you anyway.

I think you are awesome


Go " concept vs concept"

Going personal will get you in trouble

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Oh wait don't google " postribulation rapture"

Google " pretribulation lies"

Because in the postrib rapture doctrine it is a " backpedal"

Their doctrine is. About 5% postrib apologetic and About 95% ANTI PRETRIB RAPTURE

Their main focus is DISPROVING the pretrib rapture.

That is why they are easy to debate.

I know your position.
I do not need any of your methods.
I go with verses and am revievimg what is written.

Your teachers can not debate me because they have no clue as to the bride/ groom dynamic

No clue.

You haven't allowed any debate.

Is it not the anger and intolerance of pretribbers that puts people in the position to refute pretrib?

You do it all the time. You lead us away from scripture discussion by trying to dictate
how we must view the same 2 passages of scripture.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I disagree that the dead die and sleep on earth for a literal 1,000 years, while New Jerusalem takes place for the righteous,then followed by the final judgement.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

So, at what time is the Earth dark, destroyed, silent, with dead people scattered everywhere as “dung on the ground”?

If Jesus is here, how could it be dark?

 

[Truth7t7]

So, at what time is the Earth dark, destroyed, silent, with dead people scattered everywhere as “dung on the ground”?

If Jesus is here, how could it be dark?

I believe there will be a literal future Man of Sin/Antichrist in Jerusalem, when he is revealed as God Messiah to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, the 3.5 year tribulation starts

I believe there will be literal (Two Witnesses) prophets returned as seen in Rev Chapter 11, that will bring literal plagues on a literal world, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

At the end of the tribulation, the world armies will be gathered literally to israel Jerusalem, Megiddo, the (Two Witnesses) are killed,lay in a literal street in Jerusalem, they are raided 3.5 days later as the final hours of earth takes place, as Jesus Christ returns in the second coming in fire and final judgement, the righteous are caught up and resurrected to the Lord, the wicked are resurrected to the Lake of fire, the dissolving of the heavens and earth by fire, as the new heavens, earth, Jerusalem are revealed

Judgement complete, eternity begins

 

[Truth7t7]

Oh wait don't google " postribulation rapture"

Google " pretribulation lies"

Because in the postrib rapture doctrine it is a " backpedal"

Their doctrine is. About 5% postrib apologetic and About 95% ANTI PRETRIB RAPTURE

Their main focus is DISPROVING the pretrib rapture.

That is why they are easy to debate.

I know your position.
I do not need any of your methods.
I go with verses and am revievimg what is written.

Your teachers can not debate me because they have no clue as to the bride/ groom dynamic

No clue.

No pre-trib rapture is found in scripture, those following dispensationalism do nothing more than take the second coming, and falsely claim it's a pre-trib rapture, it's that simple.

 

[Truth7t7]

That's SDA doctrine. Those who are raptured never go to the 3rd heaven, just the 1st heaven and they will follow Christ and he descends. The thousand years and the ruling happens on the Earth over the nations who did not die when Christ returns. It is false to think the thousand years is in heaven with no one to rule over and that the Earth is devoid of living people.

You disregard the fact that the Lord (Appears/Reveals) in (Fire) as seen below "Why"?

Do you think that described below is a boyscout camp fire roasting marshmallows, you pick and chose what you want to use, in building a doctrine?

Jesu s Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Absolutely]

You haven't allowed any debate.

Is it not the anger and intolerance of pretribbers that puts people in the position to refute pretrib?

You do it all the time. You lead us away from scripture discussion by trying to dictate
how we must view the same 2 passages of scripture.

Show me my angry posts.

Show me my posts " leading away from scripture"

I will wait.

 

[ewq1938]

So, the dead and living saints rise to meet Jesus...only to then go back down to Earth for 1,000 years?

Well, for eternity not just for 1000 years. Eternity is spent on the Earth. The Father and Son will also dwell there rather than Heaven.

Jesus is gone to prepare mansions in heaven, but we stay down here when He comes?

Of course. Heaven is a temporary place for the bodiless dead in Christ. Once the resurrection happens, they will come here with Jesus.

How is it “false” to repeat what Isaiah, Jeremiah, Peter, etc. predict regarding the period where the planet is dark, desolate, uninhabited, destroyed, empty, where all the cities are broken down, bodies of the wicked lie covering the Earth?

None of that is addressing the thousand years which is full of the nations and Christ and his immortal saints ruling over them.

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

The saints reign will be on the Earth not from heaven:

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the EARTH.

second coming:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

After the second coming:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The depiction of the slain wicked not buried or lamented is in line with what we read about the wicked being destroyed “with the brightness of His coming” when He collects the saints for the journey to heaven

No one is taken to the 3rd heaven. Perhaps the slain army at Armageddon will go unburied but in the above scriptures we see that Christ is coming to the Earth to rule over the nations who are not killed that day. They are the whole point of the thousand years. It would be meaningless to have a thousand year rule with no one to rule.

, which follows the wicked’s attempt to escape and hide from Him in “the rocks and the mountains” leaving no one behind to mourn or bury them, is it not?

The fact that they want the rocks to fall on them is a type of burial:

Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

That would kill and bury them.

The problem with popular Jesuit Futurist based end time scenarios is none of them account from this period of desolation on Earth - only PROTESTANT HISTORICISM.

The Earth is not desolate or empty during the thousand years. No scripture shows that and plenty show the Earth full of so many people they are like the sands of the sea. They were the ones ruled over by Christ and the saints for the thousand years.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I believe there will be a literal future Man of Sin/Antichrist in Jerusalem, when he is revealed as God Messiah to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, the 3.5 year tribulation starts

I believe there will be literal (Two Witnesses) prophets returned as seen in Rev Chapter 11, that will bring literal plagues on a literal world, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

At the end of the tribulation, the world armies will be gathered literally to israel Jerusalem, Megiddo, the (Two Witnesses) are killed,lay in a literal street in Jerusalem, they are raided 3.5 days later as the final hours of earth takes place, as Jesus Christ returns in the second coming in fire and final judgement, the righteous are caught up and resurrected to the Lord, the wicked are resurrected to the Lake of fire, the dissolving of the heavens and earth by fire, as the new heavens, earth, Jerusalem are revealed

Judgement complete, eternity begins

So, where in all of that do you account for all those texts in the Bible about a coming desolate, dark, empty, silent, destroyed, earth with no atmosphere to breathe, no water, and dead bodies from one end of the earth to the other end, an no inhabitants down here?

Somebody please show us where in Jesuit Futurism's scenario of constant, non-stop human activity down here do these words of inspiration about a nuked up earth with no life on it fit!

 

[Phoneman-777]

Well, for eternity not just for 1000 years. Eternity is spent on the Earth. The Father and Son will also dwell there rather than Heaven.

Yes, but the 1,000 years are spent ruling and reigning with Jesus in heaven.

Of course. Heaven is a temporary place for the bodiless dead in Christ. Once the resurrection happens, they will come here with Jesus.

No it isn't. Genesis 2:7 KJV says the Soul exists only as a consequence of the union of a Body and Breath of Life and Ecclesiastes 12:7 KJV says at death, the Spirit (not "bodiless dead in Christ) returns to God just as it was when it arrived to unite with the Body and commence the existence of the Living Soul.

None of that is addressing the thousand years which is full of the nations and Christ and his immortal saints ruling over them.

Again, you Jesuit Futurists treat the Bible as a buffet table: yes, Revelation says Christ will "rule the nations with a rod of iron" but Psalms 2:2 tells us HOW He's going to rule with that rod: "Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron. Thou shalt dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel." That's exactly what Daniel 2 says the Stone is going to do to all the statue "kingdoms". See how harmonious Scripture is?

No one is taken to the 3rd heaven.

Again, the first heaven is where the birds fly, the second heaven is the starry heaven, and the third heaven is where the mansions are being built and where Jesus is going to take us when He comes to collect the dead and living saints, just as the bridegroom returns for the bride once the bridechamber is finished, according to the Jewish custom that Jesus was referencing in John 14.

Perhaps the slain army at Armageddon will go unburied but in the above scriptures we see that Christ is coming to the Earth to rule over the nations who are not killed that day. They are the whole point of the thousand years. It would be meaningless to have a thousand year rule with no one to rule.

Bro, the slain of the Lord lie on an Earth which is a DARK, EMPTY, UNINHABITED, DESOLATE, DESTROYED PLANET when Jesus breaks it with His rod of iron and dashes it to pieces like a potter's vessel. Good gravy, man, please read what Isaiah and Jeremiah and Peter say is going to happen when Jesus comes as a thief.

The fact that they want the rocks to fall on them is a type of burial:

Now we gettin all subjective and speculative, while all those verses that speak of a destroyed, uninhabited Earth go unanswered by you guys.

The Earth is not desolate or empty during the thousand years. No scripture shows that and plenty show the Earth full of so many people they are like the sands of the sea. They were the ones ruled over by Christ and the saints for the thousand years.

So, exactly when is the Earth desolate and empty and destroyed and uninhabited and silent and dark and without a breathable atmosphere and upside down and empty and wasted and devoured? This can only happen during the thousand years reign of the saints with Jesus in "Jerusalem which is above". After the 1,000 years, New Jerusalem comes down and that is when the wicked arise for sentencing and destruction - followed by the NH/NE.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well, for eternity not just for 1000 years. Eternity is spent on the Earth. The Father and Son will also dwell there rather than Heaven.

Teaching (Eternity) Is Spent On (This Earth)?

A Doctrine Found Within The Jehovah's Witnesses, And Its Many Offshoots

Christian Orthodoxy Teaches, At Some Point This Earth Will Be Desteoyed By Fire, And There Will Be A New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem For Eternity As Seen Below.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

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So, where in all of that do you account for all those texts in the Bible about a coming desolate, dark, empty, silent, destroyed, earth with no atmosphere to breathe, no water, and dead bodies from one end of the earth to the other end, an no inhabitants down here?

Somebody please show us where in Jesuit Futurism's scenario of constant, non-stop human activity down here do these words of inspiration about a nuked up earth with no life on it fit!

As I have posted (Several Times), at the (Second Coming) this existing earth is (Dissolved) By The Lords Fire In Judgement.

The Earth Will Be Dissolved By The Lords Fire In Judgement At His Second Coming, As The New Heavens, Earth, And Jerusalem Are Revealed For Eternity.

No nukes, broken down cities, bodies laying everywhere dead as you claim.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.