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]All one work of Christ in the twinkling of the eye.
When Christ who is not a man as us left, before he left he left clear instructions in 2 Corinthian 5:16 .In so much as some did know him according to the flesh but when he disappeared out of sight we know him that way no longer. Only one demonstration was promised to reveal the unseen work of the Holy Spirit pouring out his Spirt on the corrupted flesh of mankind.
There are two raptures or resurrections. One when Christ said it is finished, the veil being rent as evidence and the saints of the old testament were resurrected as promised (I will open your graves) .and also the evidence that the last days had began
Today to be absent of the body is to present with the lord the first resurrection that we enter into. On the last day using the phrase last day 6 times in John it is used to indicate the second and final resurrection the same day the judgment the, first death will be cast into the lake of fire the second and final death and we will all receive the promise of our new incorruptible bodies in the twinkling of the eye .
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day
John 6:39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
The Amil, no literal thousand . No literal key that binds the spirit of lies but as to the spiritual understanding hid in that parable .The key that unlock the gates of hell and binds the lying spirt is the gospel works, working the best for reconciling the signified poetic language of God as he speaks in parable Revelation.
The Amil position works the best for me . It worked the best for the reformers as I understand
When Christ who is not a man as us left, before he left he left clear instructions in 2 Corinthian 5:16 .In so much as some did know him according to the flesh but when he disappeared out of sight we know him that way no longer. Only one demonstration was promised to reveal the unseen work of the Holy Spirit pouring out his Spirt on the corrupted flesh of mankind.
There are two raptures or resurrections. One when Christ said it is finished, the veil being rent as evidence and the saints of the old testament were resurrected as promised (I will open your graves) .and also the evidence that the last days had began
Today to be absent of the body is to present with the lord the first resurrection that we enter into. On the last day using the phrase last day 6 times in John it is used to indicate the second and final resurrection the same day the judgment the, first death will be cast into the lake of fire the second and final death and we will all receive the promise of our new incorruptible bodies in the twinkling of the eye .
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day
John 6:39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
The Amil, no literal thousand . No literal key that binds the spirit of lies but as to the spiritual understanding hid in that parable .The key that unlock the gates of hell and binds the lying spirt is the gospel works, working the best for reconciling the signified poetic language of God as he speaks in parable Revelation.
The Amil position works the best for me . It worked the best for the reformers as I understand
The great trump or great shout signals the last day, judgement day and then comes total destruction
20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:20-21
20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:20-21
I am not on the fence.......you know......people know more about the 1st coming (BODY PRESENCE) of Christ that they do about the 2nd coming (BODY PRESENCE) of Christ even though for every 1 verse that deals with the 1st coming there are 8 that deal with the 2nd coming....and the tragic truth......most base their beliefs on 2 scriptures out of context that have nothing to do with the timing of his coming..........and or deny factual evidences in the word, verbiage, stated truths in HEAVEN before the throne etc.......I was a die hard imminent returner, believed it, argued for it, etc.....and then I began to see truths that do not jive with that view.....
The last trump as the voice of God called last shout of God on the last day. Just as at Jericho and then comes total destruction as the new heaven and earth appear.
I would agree with the conclusion of Revelation 11:15 .It is supported by the use of the phrase "last day" or the "day of Christ" or the "Lord's day" in Revelation
The" last days" or "last times" began at Pentecost, the time or reformation. Acts 2:16-18, 1 Peter 1:20, 1 John 2:18
Six times in John the Holy Spirit uses the "last day" to represent the second resurrection and judgement for the unbeliever as one work in the twinkling of the eye or a thief in the night. It is also used in Job in the same way
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day
Lazarus being raised was used to represent the first resurrection when we first believed we passed from death to new life. The first resurrection
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day
The Amil position at least today works the best for reconciling the signified language of Christ, the language of parables or the language by which he gives us ears to hear and therefore understand the mysteries of God, hidden from natural man
Matthew 13:34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mark 4:11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the "mystery of the kingdom of God": but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
I have a personal bias to parables. It seem when I began the reading the Bible things were jumping off the page and needed to be interpreted. Some things did not compare ("close beside)"to others as parables it does take some work to coin a biblical phrase "to search for silver or gold or the pearl of great price". The price of our salvation .
Strongs lexicon 3850 parabolḗ (from 3844 /pará, "close beside", with" and 906 /bállō, "to cast")
And understand that many I have spoken with would seem to fear spiritualizing the word spiritual words of God. But from my perspective if we compare the spiritual understanding to the spiritual unseen understanding or called faith to faith.
What should we fear looking into the mysteries if it is His design ?
I would agree with the conclusion of Revelation 11:15 .It is supported by the use of the phrase "last day" or the "day of Christ" or the "Lord's day" in Revelation
The" last days" or "last times" began at Pentecost, the time or reformation. Acts 2:16-18, 1 Peter 1:20, 1 John 2:18
Six times in John the Holy Spirit uses the "last day" to represent the second resurrection and judgement for the unbeliever as one work in the twinkling of the eye or a thief in the night. It is also used in Job in the same way
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day
Lazarus being raised was used to represent the first resurrection when we first believed we passed from death to new life. The first resurrection
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day
The Amil position at least today works the best for reconciling the signified language of Christ, the language of parables or the language by which he gives us ears to hear and therefore understand the mysteries of God, hidden from natural man
Matthew 13:34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mark 4:11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the "mystery of the kingdom of God": but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
I have a personal bias to parables. It seem when I began the reading the Bible things were jumping off the page and needed to be interpreted. Some things did not compare ("close beside)"to others as parables it does take some work to coin a biblical phrase "to search for silver or gold or the pearl of great price". The price of our salvation .
Strongs lexicon 3850 parabolḗ (from 3844 /pará, "close beside", with" and 906 /bállō, "to cast")
And understand that many I have spoken with would seem to fear spiritualizing the word spiritual words of God. But from my perspective if we compare the spiritual understanding to the spiritual unseen understanding or called faith to faith.
What should we fear looking into the mysteries if it is His design ?
Im staying put so when Jesus brings heaven to earth it will be right here. Am not going anywhere.
I learned long ago that the left behind series is subtly teaching the opposite of what the Bible says. It is fiction, take with a grain of salt. As with any movie about the end of the world, armageddon, acopalypse etc.
The Bible does say the dead in Christ will rise first.
I learned long ago that the left behind series is subtly teaching the opposite of what the Bible says. It is fiction, take with a grain of salt. As with any movie about the end of the world, armageddon, acopalypse etc.
The Bible does say the dead in Christ will rise first.
I would think a new heaven and earth as new creation.. It would appear God created two beginnings in the beginning. Not reconditioned .
What we will be know one knows and the same with the new creation(we walk by faith) . The whole creation moans because of its corrupted nature. And Christ replied we simply do not know Him after the rudiments (flesh and blood) of this corrupted creation .That includes the corrupted molecules and atoms. I believe. All things new
We will not find Christ under a microscope as if he was a man as us to begin with.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
