True Science belongs to Gods people, I told you the Satanic Darwinian, Liberal Socialists have hijacked science and turned it into an evil monster. I can see it has you hook line and sinker, but it hasn't fooled this boy. You've gotta know your enemy, if you are to have any chance at escaping His snare
John Chapter 3 REFUTES Five Point Calvinism
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Oh Danny! That's RICH! 
Do not judge a poster by their avatar. (can't stop laughing)......Oh MY!
I should apologize, though. I'm NOT "Catholic." I'm NOT a "nun" either! Having scoured the internet for a "reasonable" avatar, that embraces both faith, and my seemingly insatiable desire in both defending, and a "willingness" of CONTENDING "For" the Faith that is ours in Christ our Lord? And, just a "hint" of attempting to be "poetic." "Nuns With Guns" seemed more proper, then say...."Lord's with Swords?"
Do not judge a poster by their avatar. (can't stop laughing)......Oh MY! I should apologize, though. I'm NOT "Catholic." I'm NOT a "nun" either! Having scoured the internet for a "reasonable" avatar, that embraces both faith, and my seemingly insatiable desire in both defending, and a "willingness" of CONTENDING "For" the Faith that is ours in Christ our Lord? And, just a "hint" of attempting to be "poetic." "Nuns With Guns" seemed more proper, then say...."Lord's with Swords?"
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If we take the plain meaning of verse 26, what it tells us that unbelievers are not Christ's sheep. Which is perfectly correct and logical. Goats are not sheep, and *goats* is used as a metaphor for unbelievers. It does NOT tell us that God prevented them from believing. It does NOT tell us that they could not believe, even if they wanted to believe.
Indeed in John 10, Christ urges the unbelievers to believe on Him again and again, but they resisted the Holy Spirit (as Stephen later told the unbelieving Jews).
10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Jesus said "I told you, and ye believed not". But who or what stopped them from believing? Christ gives us the answer in John 3:
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Indeed in John 10, Christ urges the unbelievers to believe on Him again and again, but they resisted the Holy Spirit (as Stephen later told the unbelieving Jews).
10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Jesus said "I told you, and ye believed not". But who or what stopped them from believing? Christ gives us the answer in John 3:
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Thought I'd "interject" an FYI for ones' whose hearing is not so dull. It is NOT by accident, that traditions of men, ended up on the island of Sicily, as well as portions of Italy, after they were run OUT of Rome! And "became" what we know call "cosa nostra!" aka "mafia!"
Is also, no "secret", that by the "acts" of one Lucky Luciano, who caused the inhabitants of Sicily to render "invaluable intelligence" to Generals during WW-Twiced, which made not only defeating fascist Mussolini possible, and advancing through Europe to Hitler's Germany. But? And here's the "kicker!" Upon the Army securing Sicily, discovering that cosa nostra was behind bars, awaiting execution by fascist, released them, in ignorance, and established them in the Sicilian government!
Such a good "concept" this turned out to be, this was "incorporated" into the government of the United States, as well! To be sure, this was not the "initial onslaught." But, it WAS, when it became prevalent! Whose "modus operendi" was incorporated into the "politics" of "ruling by blackmail", thus "forsaking" the "spirit" of law, and into "ruling BY the law!" Laws, which they found themselves quite able into "writing and reading" as they wished!
Is also, no "secret", that by the "acts" of one Lucky Luciano, who caused the inhabitants of Sicily to render "invaluable intelligence" to Generals during WW-Twiced, which made not only defeating fascist Mussolini possible, and advancing through Europe to Hitler's Germany. But? And here's the "kicker!" Upon the Army securing Sicily, discovering that cosa nostra was behind bars, awaiting execution by fascist, released them, in ignorance, and established them in the Sicilian government!
Such a good "concept" this turned out to be, this was "incorporated" into the government of the United States, as well! To be sure, this was not the "initial onslaught." But, it WAS, when it became prevalent! Whose "modus operendi" was incorporated into the "politics" of "ruling by blackmail", thus "forsaking" the "spirit" of law, and into "ruling BY the law!" Laws, which they found themselves quite able into "writing and reading" as they wished!
Everybody who believes. Nothing against that, thats what Scripture says.
But how does it happen that somebody believes? Thats the point of disaccord.
Arminians say - you can make yourself to have a real faith. At least you can begin it and God will help you with that.
Calvinists say - you believe because you were predestined to believe and so God gave you all necessary ingredients for a salvic faith.
But how does it happen that somebody believes? Thats the point of disaccord.
Arminians say - you can make yourself to have a real faith. At least you can begin it and God will help you with that.
Calvinists say - you believe because you were predestined to believe and so God gave you all necessary ingredients for a salvic faith.
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I will answer, because you asked so nicely. This does not mean you have to agree with me, or I am shoving my beliefs into you. This is just me answering because you asked, and I happen to be Reformed.
"Whosoever will believe" is three words in a larger verse. It is three words in a larger sentence. It is three words in something Jesus was saying to someone who asked, "What must I do to be born again?" So, if Jesus said more than three words to answer that question, it stands to reason there is more to the answer than just those three words.
And he did say more than those three words. And he even went on to explain those particular three words. He went on to tell what the response was to all people to those three words. He told us we would not believe because we enjoy our darkness to keep our sins. We hate the light.
I hate liver. I am free to choose liver, but since I hate it, I'll have a consistent answer to that question when posed to me. "No thanks."
Keep pushing the liver on me, and it stops being a polite answer. I'll get nasty.
Likewise, we had a choice between the darkness and the light. Leave it to ourselves, and darkness wins. We like darkness, so why would we choose light? And get pushy about the light, we will get nasty about it.
So, yes. We really could choose. We always could choose. Would it have been fair if we couldn't?
So we won't go to the light. How else are we getting into something we chose to avoid at all cost? By God!
Read it in context. Finish it at verse 21. (Finish it after that too, but that's all the further I got to that response Jesus gave the man.) And notice, that's exactly what Jesus did say. We had choice, but we chose the darkness. The light was carried/wrought by the Father.
And he made all the difference. Not our choice. His choice! Our choice was Hell.
"Whosoever will believe" is three words in a larger verse. It is three words in a larger sentence. It is three words in something Jesus was saying to someone who asked, "What must I do to be born again?" So, if Jesus said more than three words to answer that question, it stands to reason there is more to the answer than just those three words.
And he did say more than those three words. And he even went on to explain those particular three words. He went on to tell what the response was to all people to those three words. He told us we would not believe because we enjoy our darkness to keep our sins. We hate the light.
I hate liver. I am free to choose liver, but since I hate it, I'll have a consistent answer to that question when posed to me. "No thanks."
Keep pushing the liver on me, and it stops being a polite answer. I'll get nasty.
Likewise, we had a choice between the darkness and the light. Leave it to ourselves, and darkness wins. We like darkness, so why would we choose light? And get pushy about the light, we will get nasty about it.
So, yes. We really could choose. We always could choose. Would it have been fair if we couldn't?
So we won't go to the light. How else are we getting into something we chose to avoid at all cost? By God!
Read it in context. Finish it at verse 21. (Finish it after that too, but that's all the further I got to that response Jesus gave the man.) And notice, that's exactly what Jesus did say. We had choice, but we chose the darkness. The light was carried/wrought by the Father.
And he made all the difference. Not our choice. His choice! Our choice was Hell.
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Not quite accurate. Arminius said that God has given everyone, not an elect few, all the necessary ingredients for saving faith.
The one who is the true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.
John 1:9 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.1.9.NLT
The one who is the true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.
John 1:9 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.1.9.NLT
Oh it is most defiantly talking about baptismal water, but not in the sense of a physical baptism but rather a spiritual baptism. Because water in the Bible can represent the word of God. [Jn. 4:10-11, Jn. 7:38]
So in this case it is saying you need to be baptized by the word of God because it is the word of God which saves.
So in this case it is saying you need to be baptized by the word of God because it is the word of God which saves.
The point of contention is between grace being irresistable or not. Calvinists say since grace is irresistible then only those who God chooses will get grace and believe. Arminians say grace is given to everyone but is resistable. Those who don't resist believe:
“You stubborn people! You are heathen at heart and deaf to the truth. Must you forever resist the Holy Spirit? That’s what your ancestors did, and so do you!
Acts of the Apostles 7:51 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/act.7.51.NLT
“You stubborn people! You are heathen at heart and deaf to the truth. Must you forever resist the Holy Spirit? That’s what your ancestors did, and so do you!
Acts of the Apostles 7:51 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/act.7.51.NLT
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I'm sorry you are disabled, but God had nothing to do with it. We live in a fallen world, ruined by sin, run by the devil (Luke 4:5-6; 2 Cor 4:4; 1 John 5:19). The devil oppresses people, not God (Acts 10:38).
God is not sovereign in the way most people think. He does not determine everything that happens. Just as we do not require God's permission to sin, the devil does not require God's permission to steal, kill, and destroy.
God is not sovereign in the way most people think. He does not determine everything that happens. Just as we do not require God's permission to sin, the devil does not require God's permission to steal, kill, and destroy.
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