Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.

[dcontroversal]

Very few if any on this site would say that ''The end'' came in AD70. What ended was the OT sacrificial system and this was prophesied by Jesus who by his death and resurrection brought that about. You may have noticed that there is no Temple standing or mass slaughter of animals going on despite some being keen for this to start up again. As I said earlier full blown Preterism is false but
so is extreme Futurism which concentrates more on news headlines and dubious U Tube sites than scripture. It appears that those
who follow it cant wait for the mass destruction of Humanity, Antichrists arrival and the rapture when they are carried off like
settlers waiting for the Cavalry in an old Western.

Christ brought in the kingdom of heaven at his first coming. It began with him and 12 Disciples, (all Jewish) and as explained by Jesus
in his Parables is like a seed that grows into a large tree. That seed has been growing for 2000 plus years and continues to do so. If you belong to him the Kingdom is also in you NOW. Those who are his are part of that kingdom NOW. They are part of the true Israel of God NOW One day it will come to full fruition Christ will return and bring about the Judgement and resurrection together with the transformation of those alive at that time. No one knows when that will happen but when it does Christ will bring in a new heaven and
a new earth.

I agree with most of this.....the first bolded I do not fully embrace, because I do not base my belief on your two cited sources.......the second bolded I agree, but will say......

Writing in a generic way and applicable unto any and all churches in existence at the time of the end, Paul said that we are not in darkness that that day will overtake us as a thief and we can see visibly the signs of the times and know that it is near....

 

[cv5]

Very few if any on this site would say that ''The end'' came in AD70. What ended was the OT sacrificial system and this was prophesied by Jesus who by his death and resurrection brought that about. You may have noticed that there is no Temple standing or mass slaughter of animals going on despite some being keen for this to start up again. As I said earlier full blown Preterism is false but
so is extreme Futurism which concentrates more on news headlines and dubious U Tube sites than scripture. It appears that those
who follow it cant wait for the mass destruction of Humanity, Antichrists arrival and the rapture when they are carried off like
settlers waiting for the Cavalry in an old Western.

Christ brought in the kingdom of heaven at his first coming. It began with him and 12 Disciples, (all Jewish) and as explained by Jesus
in his Parables is like a seed that grows into a large tree. That seed has been growing for 2000 plus years and continues to do so. If you belong to him the Kingdom is also in you NOW. Those who are his are part of that kingdom NOW. They are part of the true Israel of God NOW One day it will come to full fruition Christ will return and bring about the Judgement and resurrection together with the transformation of those alive at that time. No one knows when that will happen but when it does Christ will bring in a new heaven and
a new earth.

The "Man of Sin" has yet to be revealed, therefore according to Paul neither has the Rapture, end time judgments, or Second Coming...

"Now, dear brothers and sisters,a let us clarify some things about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we will be gathered to meet him. Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us. Don’t be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed—the one who brings destruction. He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.

Don’t you remember that I told you about all this when I was with you? And you know what is holding him back, for he can be revealed only when his time comes. For this lawlessness is already at work secretly, and it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way. Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, but the Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by the splendor of his coming.

This man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles. He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth.

 

[louis]

According to the Bible, Jesus' second coming was in 70 A.D. Here is a few Scriptures in support of this:

Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Before Stephen tasted death, he saw the Son of man standing on the right hand of God in His kingdom. It then stands to reason that other disciples of Christ who were martyred, likewise saw the Lords kingdom prior to their tasting death.

Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Matt 24: 30-31, "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. " This is the Olivet Discourse and in verse 34 it says "ALL these things will come upon this generation" Not some things but ALL these signs will come upon this generation.

All things described in Matthew 24, which mirror Luke 21 and Mark 13 did not come upon the generation in the first century.
The generation that sees all those things shall not pass away before witnessing the end to Satan's system on earth.

Matt 10: 23, "17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

I have many more Scriptures I can provide if anyone is interested in discussing this. God bless.

Also the end to Satan's world has not come to an end as indicated in Matthew 24:14, and thus indicates the true gospel of Christ (Love, truth, justice, mercy, humility, etc.), has not yet been preached throughout the world.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

 

[Roku23]

Before Stephen tasted death, he saw the Son of man standing on the right hand of God in His kingdom. It then stands to reason that other disciples of Christ who were martyred, likewise saw the Lords kingdom prior to their tasting death. Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Matt 16: 27-28 says that Jesus will reward every man according to his deeds when He comes. That did not happen at Stephen's stoning.

All things described in Matthew 24, which mirror Luke 21 and Mark 13 did not come upon the generation in the first century.
The generation that sees all those things shall not pass away before witnessing the end to Satan's system on earth.

Jesus uses the Greek word "Genea" 25 times in the New Testament. Since you disagree that it means His contemporaries we will remove the 3 times He uses it in the Olivet Discourse and look at the other 22 times He uses it. All 22 times, you can tell from the context of the passages, He is speaking to His contemporaries. No exceptions.

Also the end to Satan's world has not come to an end as indicated in Matthew 24:14, and thus indicates the true gospel of Christ (Love, truth, justice, mercy, humility, etc.), has not yet been preached throughout the world.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Col 1: 23, "if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

Rom 10: 16-18, "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to ALL the earth, And their words to the ends of the world."

Col 1; 5-6, "because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, 6 which has come to you, as it has also in ALL the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth;

Rom 16: 25-26, "Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began 26 but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to ALL nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith'

According to Paul it was preached to the entire world in the first century.

 

[louis]

Matt 16: 27-28 says that Jesus will reward every man according to his deeds when He comes. That did not happen at Stephen's stoning.

By stating that Jesus will reward every man according to his deeds when he comes, you are agreeing that Jesus did not return yet to do so. If you claim otherwise, you then have to show us where these rewards according to our deeds are today.

Jesus uses the Greek word "Genea" 25 times in the New Testament. Since you disagree that it means His contemporaries we will remove the 3 times He uses it in the Olivet Discourse and look at the other 22 times He uses it. All 22 times, you can tell from the context of the passages, He is speaking to His contemporaries. No exceptions.

If the Lord were speaking of his contemporaries, then with all the events in Mark 13, Luke 21, and Matthew 24 not having all occurred in the first centu

Col 1: 23, "if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

If the gospel had been preached to every creature under heaven in the first century then the end would have come. It didn't. Col 1:23 is then future tense.

Rom 10: 16-18, "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to ALL the earth, And their words to the ends of the world."

This sound going out into all the world is future tense. Here is another example of future tense: The Lord saw satan fall to earth like lightning (Luke 10:18), and yet we see the dragon/Satan along with his angels cast out into the earth in Revelation 12. The Lord describes seeing satan in the future falling like lightning.

Col 1; 5-6, "because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, 6 which has come to you, as it has also in ALL the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth;

Rom 16: 25-26, "Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began 26 but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to ALL nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith'

According to Paul it was preached to the entire world in the first century.

Ask yourself in truth: Was the gospel preached in South America in the first century? Was it preached in Australia? How about all the islands throughout the world? And many more places which were not readily accessible in the first century?
It's future tense.

 

[louis]

I don't know what is going on with my postings, there seems to be some kind of virus erasing parts of my responses, and posting them in a weird format.

 

[Absolutely]

According to the Bible, Jesus' second coming was in 70 A.D. Here is a few Scriptures in support of this:

Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Matt 24: 30-31, "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. " This is the Olivet Discourse and in verse 34 it says "ALL these things will come upon this generation" Not some things but ALL these signs will come upon this generation.

Matt 10: 23, "17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

I have many more Scriptures I can provide if anyone is interested in discussing this. God bless.

Well since we KNOW the gt hasnt happened yet ,we KNOW the rapture and 2nd coming are future.
Your deal is IMPOSSIBLE.

 

[Absolutely]

The resurrection, judgment and new heavens and earth happened in 70 A.D. Let me try and see if this helps:

Daniel 12: 1, "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book." The sister verse to Daniel 12: 1 is Matthew 24: 21.

Matt 24: 21, "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."

We know that this is restricted to 70 A.D. Matt 24: 21 comes before verse 34 and Daniel 12: 1 says "At that time" which is during the end of Daniel's 70 weeks which is also 70 A.D. This is all about Daniel's people, the Jews.

Daniel 12: 2 is the resurrection from the dead and if you look at the context of Daniel 11 and 12 this happens in the first century during the 4th kingdom of the Romans. It happens in 70 A.D. It cannot happen at the alleged "end of the world".

All of Matthew 24 and 25 is talking about 70 A.D. All of Revelation was fulfilled in 70 A.D. 7 times in the prologue and epilogue of the book in Rev 1: 1, 3 and Rev 22: 6,7,10,12 and 20 Jesus says that He is coming soon.

Revelation is about 2 brides. One is a harlot - Mystery Babylon aka Jerusalem - and the other is the Lamb's wife.

Nope
No mark
No flying scorpions
No hailstones of fire
No mass beheadings of those refusing the mark.
No flood swallowing up those pursuing hebrews.
No church rapture at the beginning (or end as some believe) of the gt.
No Jews duped by the ac. Who sets up in the temple demanding worship.

Need more?

 

[Absolutely]

The book was not written after 70 A.D. It was written before and their is tons of evidence for this. Here is some evidence:

1. The temple is mentioned in Rev 11: 1-2 and John is told to measure it.
2. In Rev 17: 10 it says "five kings have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come". If you count from Julius Caesar as the first king of Rome then Nero is the sixth king. Nero reigned from 54-68 A.D. meaning the book was written in that time range.
3. In Matthew 24: 7, Jesus says there will be famines and pestilences. In Revelation you see famines and pestilences with the 3rd seal in Revelation 6. Jesus said this would happen before that generation died out in Matt 24: 34.
4. In Matthew 24: 13, It says "he who endures to the end will be saved". This is referring to end of the jewish age and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Rev 2 and 3 talk about enduring and overcoming to inherit the kingdom. That kingdom was coming in 70 A.D.
5. The kingdom comes at the seventh trumpet in Rev 11: 15 and also comes in Luke 21: 31-32.

Remember what Jesus says in Luke 21: 31-32, "So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

nope
Definately written after.

Study both sides,not what you want it to be.

 

[Absolutely]

That is something Historicists teach with their "day for a year" principle. It is not biblical.



The Olivet Discourse is in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. In Mark and Luke you can see that the disciples ask Jesus 2 specific questions. When will the temple be torn down and what is the sign it is about to happen. It is also the same 2 questions in Matthew but people think there are 3 questions there because Matthew words it differently but it is the same. The Jewish age "the end of the age" happened in 70 A.D. at the same time Jerusalem was destroyed and the temple was torn down and Daniel's 70 weeks ended.

Matt 16: 27-28 limit "this generation" to Jesus' contemporaries. If Jesus wasn't talking about His generation then He was lying to the disciples and deceiving them since they asked about when the destruction of the temple would take place. I don't think either one of us think Jesus was lying or trying to deceive the disciples.

Your deal can not be.
You can not get past the FACT that the GT hasn't happened yet.

Jesus even said " a tribulation such as the world has never seen or ever will"

You have heavily invested in a failed conclusion.

Those that took your path historically had not seen the rebirth of israel.
That rebirth changed eschatology.

 

[obedienttogod]

According to the Bible, Jesus' second coming was in 70 A.D. Here is a few Scriptures in support of this:

Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Matt 24: 30-31, "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. " This is the Olivet Discourse and in verse 34 it says "ALL these things will come upon this generation" Not some things but ALL these signs will come upon this generation.

Matt 10: 23, "17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

I have many more Scriptures I can provide if anyone is interested in discussing this. God bless.

You know the Bible is a puzzle that fits together?

Yeshua, in the Book of Matthew, specified in chapter 24 the Tribulation will happen, it will end, then the sun turns to darkness and the moon into blood, then those of us still keeping the faith will see like lightning streaking in the sky from the West to the East when Yeshua returns, then sends His angels to gather the Elect.

None of that took place in 70 A.D.

Yeshua revealed unto John, in the Book of Revelation, for over 3 and a half years in the beginning to mid time of the Tribulation, there would be two Witnesses.

None of that took place in 70 A.D./or prior.


Good try!!
But not even close!!

 

[KnowMe]

Wrong post

 

[Roku23]

I don't know what is going on with my postings, there seems to be some kind of virus erasing parts of my responses, and posting them in a weird format.

You posted this: "By stating that Jesus will reward every man according to his deeds when he comes, you are agreeing that Jesus did not return yet to do so. If you claim otherwise, you then have to show us where these rewards according to our deeds are today."

My reply to your statement is below:

Jesus said He would return and reward every man according to His deeds before some standing there died. That is what the Scriptures say. There is no way around it. A person should accept what the Scripture says.

The judgment and resurrection took place in 70 A.D. Daniel 12: 2 tells us this and Matt 25: 31-46 tells us this. Daniel 12 takes place at the end of the 70 weeks prophecy during the Roman empire and Matt 25 was about His generation as Jesus said in Matt 24: 34. That means the first century and lines up perfectly with what Jesus said.

I know you will disagree and say the judgment is still in the future so let may ask you this question, and I also ask it to anyone reading this thread:

Jesus says in Matt 16: 27-28 that He would reward every man according to his deeds when He returned and that He would return before some of them standing there had died. So here is the question:

Was Jesus lying or telling the truth?

If you say it is still future then you are saying Jesus was a false prophet and not who He said He was because He clearly believed He was coming back in that generation. He said some of them wouldn't die.

I believe Jesus was telling the truth.

 

[KnowMe]

what man on earth can tell Jesus what he can or can’t do.

 

[obedienttogod]

Obviously, 70 A.D. was not when He returned.

He admits that once He does return, there will be the war of WARS, the End, the New Jerusalem, new Earth/Heavens, 1,000 year end, the Great White Throne Judgement, Lake of fire


Since none of that has happened, which does take place IMMEDIATELY after the return of Christ for His Elect, and WE ARE STILL ALIVE and part of that Old World since there has been no change in Earth(s)...I think it's safe to assume, Yeshua still is Coming!!

 

[Roku23]

None of that took place in 70 A.D./or prior.Good try!! But not even close!!

I noticed you didn't even address my texts that I posted.

Can you explain Matt 16: 27-28 to me?

 

[Absolutely]

I noticed you didn't even address my texts that I posted.

Can you explain Matt 16: 27-28 to me?

You are trying to frame a doctrine past the fact that the Gt,the man of sin,1 thes 4,rev 14, etc would all need to have taken place.
Nobody with a bible and open mind is willing to take that leap with you.

 

[KnowMe]

I noticed you didn't even address my texts that I posted.

Can you explain Matt 16: 27-28 to me?

verse 28 says some, do you know if this person is still around below?

John 21
21When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”

22Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you? You follow Me!” 23Because of this, the rumor spread among the brothers that this disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you?”

 

[Locutus]

You can not get past the FACT that the GT hasn't happened yet.

Of course it's happened - we know from Jesus' words that it would happen when Jerusalem was compassed with armies - when we compare Luke's and Matthew's account we see that they are told to flee in both cases placing the events in the same time period of the 1st century AD:

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;

We know that Jerusalem was compassed with armies in its destruction in the war of 66-70 AD - there is only one time associated with the warning to flee to the mountains.

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

You sir are in complete denial of what the scripture states would and did happen.

Ain't no flees on me

 

[obedienttogod]

I noticed you didn't even address my texts that I posted.

Can you explain Matt 16: 27-28 to me?

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Some did see the RISEN YESHUA (which is the God we will see when He returns for us), after His Death-Burial-Resurrection, some standing there did SEE YESHUA in all His Glory and Power. He BREATHED the Holy Spirit onto them. They might have only had a few days with Him before He ascended, but there were some who did in fact SEE HIM as God, not as Yeshua!!

One Day we will too, also SEE, the real Him!!