Jesus as King?

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You are adding to Revelation if you say Satan is bound in more ways than not deceiving the nations. Paul proved it by his success.
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Satan is only bound once as revelation states, during the physical reign of Christ.
 
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Satan is only bound once as revelation states, during the physical reign of Christ.
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Christ reigns now. BUT...... only the born again can see it.
 
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Christ reigns now. BUT...... only the born again can see it.
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Christ is not reigning now on the earth over the nations as promised. That’s future.
 
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Christ is not reigning now on the earth over the nations as promised. That’s future.
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Are you saying Jesus is not God who rules over earth and the universe?
 
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Yep, referring to the Jews in the tribulation. Read and study Ezekiel 34-37. It’s never a reference to Gentiles.
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Now this is just weird.
 
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Are you saying Jesus is not God who rules over earth and the universe?
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Jesus is not ruling the earth. Don’t mock Him like that. The world is dark and in a mess. Satan is the god of this world. Satan has control over the kingdoms of this world. They were given to him by God.

No wonder people reject Jesus. If he’s King, he’s a poor king.
 
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John146 said:
Jesus is not ruling the earth. Don’t mock Him like that. The world is dark and in a mess. Satan is the god of this world. Satan has control over the kingdoms of this world. They were given to him by God.

No wonder people reject Jesus. If he’s King, he’s a poor king.
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You are denying Christ is God = spirit of Antichrist according to John.
 
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You are denying Christ is God = spirit of Antichrist according to John.
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Where is Christ right now? Where is God the Father? Where is the Holy Spirit? According to Scripture....
 
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Everywhere.
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When Scripture states that Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father, that’s just a metaphor?

Christ ascended to heaven...just a metaphor?

Absent from the Lord is just a metaphor from Paul?

Christ making intercession to the Father is just a metaphor?
 
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Anyone claiming to have understanding of Jesus-Yeshua and makes a statement as here, "Yes, great Jewish passages. " in reference to quotes and references of the Old Testament is seriously in need of understanding.

Calling the writings of the Old Testament Jewish passages is just about is ustudied as a Bible student coud possibly be, and to continue attempting to reason with such is arguing with a.....
 
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Are you saying Jesus is not God who rules over earth and the universe?
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Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

At the Lord’s second coming, the kingdoms of this world will become His. Currently, they are in Satan’s.

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Jesus refused because He knew they would eventually be given over to Him.
 
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Yes, at that moment the Lord was ready to return if the Jewish leaders would have received Stephen’s preaching. Instead, they rejected it and stoned him. The Lord sat back dow.
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Since Isaiah the Prophet, explained in great detail the very Throne Room of God, and he insists there is only "one" Throne, maybe Jesus is literally standing on the right hand of God.

When we read John 1:1 and see the "WORD," and we know in Genesis the WORD was described as the Spirit (who created), and later in the Book of John chapter 1 this WORD becomes flesh, maybe the WORD in heaven is back to Spirit form. Thus, He is literally standing on the Father's right hand who is seated in the ONE THRONE.
 
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maybe the WORD in heaven is back to Spirit form.
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Stephen did say he saw the "Glory" of God (Jesus). So, it is possible in Heaven that Jesus, the WORD, is back to His original form (Spirit).

His Earthly body would not be Glory, but His Heavenly Body would be.
 
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Since Isaiah the Prophet, explained in great detail the very Throne Room of God, and he insists there is only "one" Throne, maybe Jesus is literally standing on the right hand of God.

When we read John 1:1 and see the "WORD," and we know in Genesis the WORD was described as the Spirit (who created), and later in the Book of John chapter 1 this WORD becomes flesh, maybe the WORD in heaven is back to Spirit form. Thus, He is literally standing on the Father's right hand who is seated in the ONE THRONE.
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Jesus’ resurrection body is bone and flesh.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
 
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Jesus’ resurrection body is bone and flesh.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
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True, but that does not mean He is in the flesh body in Heaven. He was in His Spirit body when He created the world. He can still be Mediator in Heaven in Spirit Form where He is 100% God there.
 
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Either way, bodily form or Spirit form, He is still on the right hand of the Father, on the only throne mentioned in the Throne Room of God.
 
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True, but that does not mean He is in the flesh body in Heaven. He was in His Spirit body when He created the world. He can still be Mediator in Heaven in Spirit Form where He is 100% God there.
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I believe the reference “the man Christ Jesus” tells us He is still a man with flesh and bone.
 
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Either way, bodily form or Spirit form, He is still on the right hand of the Father, on the only throne mentioned in the Throne Room of God.
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God the Father is on the throne in heaven, and Jesus the prince is seated at His right hand.
 
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Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
 
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